is this a snap call? (5.50 - ps)

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08-07-2008, 02:23 AM
Sakuraba

is this a snap call? (5.50 - ps)

Read on player: Called big bets pf and flop and let go most hands on turn or river. Passive/loose player.

As played, is this an instacall? Is there any reason I should get off this hand besides an outstanding read?

Also, what do you think of my line. Would you do the same? Is there a better line? Thanks guys.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 (t1130)
MP2 (t2115)
MP3 (t1330)
CO (t1220)
Button (t1120)
SB (t1980)
Hero (t1540)
UTG (t1470)
UTG+1 (t1595)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP3 calls t30, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t105) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets t90, Hero raises to t270, MP1 folds, MP3 raises all in to t1300, hero ???
08-07-2008, 02:32 AM
taipan168

Bet the flop the first time around, and if you get re-raised then shove over. I much prefer to shove over with this hand so we have the benefit of FE than to be the one deciding whether to call.

As played, bleh I guess I call considering the dead chips in the pot and the fact that I have 11-13 outs unless opp has a set.
08-07-2008, 03:05 AM
fjuanl

I wouldnt really want to play for stacks with a hand like this...which is what your setting yourself up to do by check/raising. I'd lead out and fold to pretty much anything but a minraise. In a $5.50 people are stacking off with a flush draw + overs here, plus stuff like K7/A7. Our hand doesnt fare well against that kind of range
08-07-2008, 03:22 AM
TLR

lead flop, I would call the push
08-07-2008, 08:42 AM
Im_new

lead flop, call push, shove over re-raise.
08-07-2008, 02:08 PM
fjuanl

vs 89o: 62%
vs flush draw and overs: 51%
vs overpair: 42%
vs A7o: 40%
vs 67o: 30%
vs 44/66: 27%

I threw all these hands into poker stove and our average equity is around 44%. I guess you could throw in some possibility that this is a total bluff with air, but we still are not doing well against an average range. I also didnt include flopped straights like 52 and 85, but I think running into those hands is too rare to include in a range

As played, your getting 1.62/1 odds which wouldnt make this a bad call. But throw in the ICM tax and this becomes questionable.
08-07-2008, 04:37 PM
Sakuraba

thanks for the input guys. Let me just make sure I am understanding why the majority of you say to lead out on the flop.

-If I get raised anything less then ai, I will be able to reshove and get some FE

-This guy has been calling bets alot (although this was only about the tenth hand I believe)

-don't want to give a free card to flush draws or higher straight draws

Is this the thinking behind betting the flop? Thanks guys.
08-07-2008, 04:41 PM
Sakuraba

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakuraba

-If I get raised anything less then ai, I will be able to reshove and get some FE

Wait... would reraising All In be standard if, lets say I led out and bet 90 and got raised to 270.
08-07-2008, 06:12 PM
taipan168

The reasons I would lead out on the flop are:

- You flopped top pair and an OESD so there is a reasonable chance that your hand is best right now.
- Because your hand is vulnerable to overcards coming, you don't actually mind winning the pot right now.
- Leading out gives you the opportunity to shove over if somebody raises rather than having to decide whether to call if somebody shoves of you.
- Keeps the pot smaller compared to C-Ring

@ fjuanl - interesting, that's roughly what I thought our equity would be, about 45%. That's why I'm bleh about calling the shove but more than happy to shove over a raise if we had led out in the first place (fold equity).
08-07-2008, 06:20 PM
Im_new

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakuraba

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakuraba

-If I get raised anything less then ai, I will be able to reshove and get some FE

Wait... would reraising All In be standard if, lets say I led out and bet 90 and got raised to 270.

yup, that's standard for me. And your reasoning sounds good too.

Fjuanl:

You have to include those hands that a donk sometimes calls with, the 6x (x=J-A) type hands, and non-two-overs type flush draws.