KK 50 nl

villain is 15/14/3 over 350 hands. No reason to think he is four betting lite. Do you bet fold this flop or is it fine as played? Only hands I can really put in his range is QQ or AK. On the flop it's pretty much AK or some random crap he is trying to make a play with, though there is no reason to expect it because there is no reason for him to think I'm 3betting him light.

Also do you bet the turn?

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($10.60)
UTG 1 ($44.70)
CO ($82.55)
Hero ($124.55)
SB ($55.10)
BB ($58.05)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN :ks: :kc:
2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, CO raises to $15, Hero calls $9

Flop: :5c: :9h: :qd: ($30.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: :4h: ($30.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: :qh: ($30.75, 2 players)
CO bets $15, Hero calls $15

[Results Hidden]

It's probably fine as played. With AA I'd be more inclined to stack off.

bet turn

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Originally Posted by pankfish

No reason to think he is four betting lite.

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so are you playing KK for set-odds here? If so, fold. If not, bet the flop.

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Originally Posted by daven

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Originally Posted by pankfish

No reason to think he is four betting lite.

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so are you playing KK for set-odds here? If so, fold. If not, bet the flop.

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What if I think I'm ahead of his range preflop, but not too far ahead on the flop? And the only part of his range I'm ahead of on the flop isn't calling a bet anyway?

By the turn I guess I should bet though.

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Originally Posted by pankfish

No reason to think he is four betting lite.

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so are you playing KK for set-odds here? If so, fold. If not, bet the flop.

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what?

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

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Originally Posted by daven

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Originally Posted by pankfish

No reason to think he is four betting lite.

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so are you playing KK for set-odds here? If so, fold. If not, bet the flop.

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what?

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In short he's saying that if he thinks opp has AA, then calling with KK to try and hit a set is -EV since he doesn't have the odds. If he thinks that opp has any other two cards, then he has to bet the flop.

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Originally Posted by AHiltz

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

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Originally Posted by daven

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Originally Posted by pankfish

No reason to think he is four betting lite.

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so are you playing KK for set-odds here? If so, fold. If not, bet the flop.

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what?

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In short he's saying that if he thinks opp has AA, then calling with KK to try and hit a set is -EV since he doesn't have the odds. If he thinks that opp has any other two cards, then he has to bet the flop.

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I think he has QQ+,AK, maaaybe he is fooling around with something else but I have no reason to think so at the time. I'm definitely not playing KK for set odds here. Do you think there is value in betting the flop though after the Queen comes given his range for four betting?