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Reraiser is unimpressive and uninteresting (as far as I know). I am at the table still because of the cold-caller. he is horrible (obviously) and I want to take the most possible off of him, the guy in the middle is just a bonus. I made the weak 4bet pf to either induce a push or get it 3way with a large pot.

How big of a 4bet do you think they will both call, is the flop bet too little?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($207)
CO ($209)
Button ($200.95)
SB ($397.15)
BB ($200)
Hero ($298.80)
UTG+1 ($135.70)
MP1 ($234.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $21, 1 fold, CO calls $21, 3 folds, Hero raises to $45, MP1 calls $24, CO calls $24.

Flop: ($138) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $80, MP1 calls $80, CO calls $80.

Turn: ($378) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)

hero pushes turn for $173.80.

I would 4-bet bigger to isolate the donk. It also probably limits their ranges better, which makes the postflop a little more comfortable. $70, then cr/ai flop if there's still 3 in.

Yeah, you gave MP1 too good of a price to continue since you're stacking off post-flop just about every time and the donk is giving him action too.

I'd go around $60

Don't check the flop after putting that much money in.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Don't check the flop after putting that much money in.

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Generally I agree, but what if at least one of them is highly aggressive, and likely to push with AK to weakness, but lay it down to aggression?

If he bets a whiffed AK into a station and a 4-bet he'll be busto soon enough.

Play the hand fast, collect monies. Don't over-think this.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

If he bets a whiffed AK into a station and a 4-bet he'll be busto soon enough.

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but..but...I want him busto NOW! :x I think there's enough spewtards out there that with a good read, checking in this spot is good.

My default play is to play it fast, and I certainly would vs most players. But vs the kind of player who sees too many flops (and pays too much for them), and plays a bet/raise/fold postflop game, I think a c/r is reasonable.

We don't have that read here, so agreed with the flop lead.

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Originally Posted by pgil

Reraiser is unimpressive and uninteresting (as far as I know).

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I'm not going to try to induce this guy. Just keep him calling off money with JJ+ and if he folds AK oh well, thanks for the pre-flop money drawing nearly dead.

Don't play tricky against idiots, they will never know the difference.

pgil knows how I would play this...

60 sounds good, not too high, but just enough.

any thoughts on flop bet size, both as played and if the 4bet is to 60.

checking never ever entered my head.

Drew, are you suggesting a CiB? this was the only AA hand I had on you in my current DB. difference in that one was your 3rd opp was really short and already AI.

what's a Cib?

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

what's a Cib?

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Click it back - aka a minraise

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

what's a Cib?

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Click it back - aka a minraise

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No a CiB is where you bet they min raise and you min re-reraise

Since MP and CO (donk) have $234 and $209 respectively, am i a huge pussy for just wanting to get it in on the flop?... a slightly larger 4-bet, then we just shove the flop. Too dumb?... we obv aren't folding to any turn card... and both vills can't really fold much, seeing as they have $110 and $84 repectively at the turn... idk.. it's weird.. I'd prolly just shove the flop. Plz tell me why i hate money or something.

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Originally Posted by Muzzard

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

what's a Cib?

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Click it back - aka a minraise

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No a CiB is where you bet they min raise and you min re-reraise

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when you minraise an open bet aren't you also "clicking it back", or is it only used on the 3bet min?

God it tilts me when people get the CiB wrong.

CiB is a min-reraise, it's not a minraise to a bet, its 3 betting the min, and the CiB doesnt have to be a minraising a minraise, infact thats probably a bad spot for it...

Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $1,501
UTG: $1,058.95
MP: $1,196.50
CO: $1,104
Hero (BTN): $985
SB: $1,773

Pre-Flop: A:diamond: J:diamond: dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO raises to $34, Hero raises to $116, 2 folds, CO raises to $270, Hero raises to $424, CO folds

Results: $555 Pot
Hero mucked A:diamond: J:diamond: and WON $555 (+$285 NET)

also

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1657700_CiB.jpg

results: both opps folded to turn shove

I would have re-raised to $60.00 pf as Fnord suggested, then pushed the flop.

p.s. buy your girlfriend flowers ;)

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Yeah, you gave MP1 too good of a price to continue since you're stacking off post-flop just about every time and the donk is giving him action too.

I'd go around $60

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don't be scared of 4-betting too big and getting folds. If it's over pre-flop you still ended up scoring 21 big blinds, and that's fine. ESPECIALLY if you don't think you can fold post-flop - that would be even more important deep (coming from someone who lost their first >$400 pot today, with aces deep in a 3-bet pot)

i like it, but i'd go just a BIT more, but not quite 60.

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Originally Posted by Renton

i like it, but i'd go just a BIT more, but not quite 60.

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58.50?