100NL, QQ semi-deep stacks in massive 3-way huge pot

hmmm, MP2 is loose donk (53/8.8/0.98) over 193 hands, button is a regular nit running 11.4/6.5/1.2. i think it's a purely REM(range,equity and maximization) analysis whether i should stack off or not. After donk's flat call and nit's insta massive shove on the flop, I put donk's range on AJ,KJ & nuts flush draw and nit's range on 3 sets(99,TT,JJ). Guys, Any Decision making process or thoughts ?? By the way, i'm definitely not playing scared money in any event at this level.:wink:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($98.50)
Button ($154.05)
SB ($132.45)
Hero ($294.80)
UTG ($75.45)
MP1 ($98)
MP2 ($121.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
2 folds, MP2 raises to $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $18, MP2 calls $14, Button calls $14.

Flop: ($54.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $34, MP2 calls $34, Button raises to $136.05, Hero ?

I see no reason MP2 couldn't have AA, KK, or KQ, so that needs to be in his range as well. Stove says you have 27-32% equity depending on how I tweak reasonable ranges, and you've got better pot odds than that even in MP2 folds, so call.

PS. I was in a very similar hand the other day with KK on a QJT board. I took it down unimproved.

nice job. Were any passive nits involved in your hand?

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Originally Posted by Keilah

PS. I was in a very similar hand the other day with KK on a QJT board. I took it down unimproved.

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I forget.

Also I just realized that I'm giving anecdotal evidence in a statistics game. No good.

...uh... reminds me of a really nasty suck-out I put on someone last weekend.

Anyway, I pot this flop and it sucks that the nit has a set but you're probably pot-fucked. Can someone Stove it?

Already did. He's all-in.

It's a call.

The numbers looks right to me.

Yup, it's a call.

If nit calls we have the needed equity:

533,673 games 0.016 secs 33,354,562 games/sec

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.234% 22.61% 05.63% 120643 30036.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 52.489% 49.47% 03.02% 264002 16116.00 { QQ-99, AhKh, KhQh }
Hand 2: 19.277% 16.38% 02.90% 87408 15468.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }


If nit folds, we also have good equity against villain:

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.685% 58.04% 03.64% 41946 2634.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 38.315% 34.67% 03.64% 25056 2634.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

Yup, it's a call.

If nit calls we have the needed equity:

533,673 games 0.016 secs 33,354,562 games/sec

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.234% 22.61% 05.63% 120643 30036.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 52.489% 49.47% 03.02% 264002 16116.00 { QQ-99, AhKh, KhQh }
Hand 2: 19.277% 16.38% 02.90% 87408 15468.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }


If nit folds, we also have good equity against villain:

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.685% 58.04% 03.64% 41946 2634.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 38.315% 34.67% 03.64% 25056 2634.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }

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Nice and clean post, but you have the nit and the donk mixed up.

Nit had TT but i still hate that damm Q on the turn. :twisted:
easy triple up for the donk's KJ :P

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Originally Posted by Seabass

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

Yup, it's a call.

If nit calls we have the needed equity:

533,673 games 0.016 secs 33,354,562 games/sec

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.234% 22.61% 05.63% 120643 30036.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 52.489% 49.47% 03.02% 264002 16116.00 { QQ-99, AhKh, KhQh }
Hand 2: 19.277% 16.38% 02.90% 87408 15468.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }


If nit folds, we also have good equity against villain:

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.685% 58.04% 03.64% 41946 2634.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 38.315% 34.67% 03.64% 25056 2634.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }

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Nice and clean post, but you have the nit and the donk mixed up.

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Did I missed something?

we gotta call nit's shove, so its impossible to get more than 35% equity, i guess.
i like this pokerstove:
242,004 games 0.016 secs 15,125,250 games/sec

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.344% 22.62% 02.72% 54748 6586.67 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 54.979% 54.75% 00.22% 132507 543.67 { JJ-99, AhKh, AhQh }
Hand 2: 19.677% 16.93% 02.74% 40981 6637.67 { AhKh, AhQh, AJs, KhQh, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, AJo, KJo+ }

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

If nit folds, we also have good equity against villain:

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.685% 58.04% 03.64% 41946 2634.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 38.315% 34.67% 03.64% 25056 2634.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

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Originally Posted by Seabass

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

Yup, it's a call.

If nit calls we have the needed equity:

533,673 games 0.016 secs 33,354,562 games/sec

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.234% 22.61% 05.63% 120643 30036.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 52.489% 49.47% 03.02% 264002 16116.00 { QQ-99, AhKh, KhQh }
Hand 2: 19.277% 16.38% 02.90% 87408 15468.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }


If nit folds, we also have good equity against villain:

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.685% 58.04% 03.64% 41946 2634.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 38.315% 34.67% 03.64% 25056 2634.00 { AhKh, AJs, KJs+, Kh9h, QTs+, Qh9h, J9s+, T9s, AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }

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Nice and clean post, but you have the nit and the donk mixed up.

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Did I missed something?

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The nit is the pusher.

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Originally Posted by Seabass

The nit is the pusher.

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Opps ;-)

In the worst case scenario the nit has the following range:

Board: Jh Th 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.579% 33.77% 00.81% 3009 72.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 65.421% 64.61% 00.81% 5757 72.00 { JJ-99 }

So it's a call!