AQ 3 bet pot, deep, line check

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05-26-2008, 01:52 PM
will641

AQ 3 bet pot, deep, line check

villain is a reg, 21/14/1. he calls 3 bets pretty light (he folds to them 58%, and i dont think he 4 bets very often). hes fairly nitty post flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($248.70)
Button ($75.30)
SB ($434.55)
Hero ($457.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
2 folds, SB raises to $8, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $16.

Flop: ($48) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $36, SB calls $36.

Turn: ($120) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($120) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $68, Hero calls $68.

Final Pot: $256
05-26-2008, 02:08 PM
EzDuzIt

looks ok
05-26-2008, 02:11 PM
thizzSantaCruz

what a weird bet sizing by our opponenet. Seems good to me though, allthough the small bet makes me think we are going to be getting value towned a lot here by a flush.
05-26-2008, 02:21 PM
pankfish

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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

what a weird bet sizing by our opponenet. Seems good to me though, allthough the small bet makes me think we are going to be getting value towned a lot here by a flush.

I always bet between 1/2-2/3 on the river both for value and as a bluff. Is this a mistake?
05-26-2008, 02:42 PM
EzDuzIt

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Originally Posted by pankfish

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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

what a weird bet sizing by our opponenet. Seems good to me though, allthough the small bet makes me think we are going to be getting value towned a lot here by a flush.

I always bet between 1/2-2/3 on the river both for value and as a bluff. Is this a mistake?

well yeah... there are lots of spots where betting pot, or overbetting, or making a small gay bet would be best.
05-26-2008, 02:49 PM
pankfish

Obviously if I think they will pay off a pot sized bet with worse or will fold to a gay bet I'm opting for those, I'm just saying that 1/2-2/3 is pretty much my standard.
05-26-2008, 03:19 PM
BigLRIP

This is good, and is my standard line. Only real decision of this hand is on the turn, and I'm not too sure which line is best. Bet/fold has lots of merit, but it sucks getting check raised with the nut flush draw. It seems somewhat unlikely he would semibluff considering his stats (though you may have better unposted reads).

I think I would mix up the line you took with bet/folding the turn and checking back the river unless he's a calldown wizard.
05-26-2008, 03:38 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

put a bet in on the turn. your opponent isn't much more likely to call a bet with A-J on the river if you check behind here, and this way if your opponent bets on the river, it will more clearly define his hand. in addition, you can control the size of the pot when you are the one betting on the turn rather than calling on the river. luckily villain put out a horrible value bet anyways if he did have a flush!

also, a bet on the turn can serve as a potbuilder in the event you river the nut flush.
05-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Deanglow

I think I would rather shove the river than call. I think checking behind the flop is also ok.
05-27-2008, 01:52 AM
Alexos

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

I think I would rather shove the river than call.

wait, what?

why would u do that
05-27-2008, 02:33 AM
meeloche

I like checking behind the flop against this player. I'd bet the turn and reevaluate river.
05-27-2008, 09:05 AM
mixchange

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Originally Posted by Alexos

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

I think I would rather shove the river than call.

wait, what?

why would u do that

well, the best part is that hero has the Q of d so we know villain has to fear a better flush. Since our read is he is nitty postflop, he's clearly making this river lead for value. But, that doesn't mean he's folding all his lushes. The shove has to work over 55% of the time to be ev+ so if he will fold a lower flush I'd go for it. seems thats about half his range considering the river lead. I would need to play at the table for a long time with someone to shove, but it does look like it will work more than 50% of the time, but not by a lot... maybe 70% so I guess you should. Just be sure your read of him as a nit means he will fold his lower flushes and not make crying calls.

btw, I'd play it like you and probably not consider shoving, which if you realize you have the Qd seems pretty sick. I gotta stop playing so many tables. I would never check this flop as we cbet so much here that getting some value is crucial when we have TPGK. Also, since we're deep his range counts a lot more suited connectors than normal, so we need to protect our hand.
05-27-2008, 10:23 AM
Alexos

Villain is folding a lower flush like 0% of the time...
05-27-2008, 11:28 AM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

I think I would rather shove the river than call.

Our hand is way to good to be turning it into a bluff.
05-27-2008, 06:42 PM
tarath

turning this into a bluff is retarded. Just call here and if he has a flush good for him. Your line is fine.
05-27-2008, 06:59 PM
EzDuzIt

i think dean was talking about shoving for value
05-27-2008, 07:43 PM
Alexos

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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

i think dean was talking about shoving for value

that thought crossed my mind, but shoving for value is even worse than shoving as a bluff... at those limits anyway
05-27-2008, 07:57 PM
will641

results?
05-27-2008, 08:58 PM
Alexos

shure
05-27-2008, 09:18 PM
will641

he had a set o' fives. he really played it well and maximized his value...
05-27-2008, 09:56 PM
Alexos

yeah, he sure did. dot dot dot
05-27-2008, 10:21 PM
bigteif

Why would he check the turn with the 3 to a flush?
05-28-2008, 12:07 AM
Deanglow

I was not talking about shoving for value. I think calling this river is worse than raising and folding is the best option. I don't think he does this with AJ
05-28-2008, 03:35 AM
nutsinho

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Originally Posted by will641

he had a set o' fives. he really played it well and maximized his value...

lol
05-28-2008, 11:18 AM
Deanglow

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

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Originally Posted by will641

he had a set o' fives. he really played it well and maximized his value...

lol

I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm
05-28-2008, 11:35 AM
will641

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

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Originally Posted by will641

he had a set o' fives. he really played it well and maximized his value...

lol

I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm

yes it was. i thought the dot dot dot was kind of the way of showing sarcasm on the internet. come on nutsinho, i suck, but not that bad.
05-28-2008, 12:03 PM
Alexos

yah nutsinho got lvled twice imo, or maybe Dean got lvled and nutsinho lvled us all...
05-28-2008, 01:23 PM
nutsinho

i wasnt trying to level. i recognized that it was sarcasm and thought it was funny. thats why i said lol
05-28-2008, 04:10 PM
Galapogos

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

i wasnt trying to level. i recognized that it was sarcasm and thought it was funny. thats why i said lol

I thought you were bluffing.