Oh, woe is me

Wow I just lost 4.5 BI's over 4k hands, mostly through stuff like this where villain plays bad, then a card hits that helps me but helps him more. Villain in this hand was 46/17/1

A) Was I right to call this, and B)If we're far ahead of a sensible player's range, but a loose/passive donator starts betting strong, do we just assume he has the nuts and fold? Or go ahead and stack off?

PokerStars Game #17572210508: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/05/20 - 17:32:34 (ET)
Table 'Devosa IV' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: andre1202198 ($45.45 in chips)
Seat 2: mikey2bots ($113.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Koldan ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 4: JayG_king ($79.75 in chips)
Seat 5: TwoSmeets ($53.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Klesh24 ($45.55 in chips)
Seat 7: rwesty ($64.55 in chips)
Seat 9: Ken2it ($33.15 in chips)
andre1202198: posts small blind $0.25
mikey2bots: posts big blind $0.50
kw-armaturen: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TwoSmeets [Jd Js]
Koldan: folds
JayG_king: folds
TwoSmeets: raises $1.50 to $2
Klesh24: calls $2
rwesty: folds
Ken2it: folds
andre1202198: folds
mikey2bots: folds
*** FLOP *** [7h Td Ad]
TwoSmeets: bets $3
Klesh24: calls $3
*** TURN *** [7h Td Ad] [Jh]
TwoSmeets: bets $6.75
Klesh24: raises $33.80 to $40.55 and is all-in
TwoSmeets: calls $33.80
*** RIVER *** [7h Td Ad Jh] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TwoSmeets: shows [Jd Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Klesh24: shows [Kc Qh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Klesh24 collected $88.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $91.85 | Rake $3
Board [7h Td Ad Jh 4c]
Seat 1: andre1202198 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: mikey2bots (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Koldan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JayG_king folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TwoSmeets showed [Jd Js] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: Klesh24 showed [Kc Qh] and won ($88.85) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: rwesty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ken2it (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

K this one I think was tiltly I should have folded to his shove I think. Villain is an 11/7/3 reg and basically never ever has 22 or 8x here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($54.95)
MP1 ($63.30)
MP2 ($68.05)
Hero ($50.90)
CO ($14)
Button ($56.35)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($49.60)
UTG ($14.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.75, 4 folds, MP2 calls $4.75.

Flop: ($14.25) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets $8.85, Hero raises to $18, MP2 raises to $61.3, Hero calls $26.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($102.55) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($102.55) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $102.55

Both look fine imo. Hand 1 villain is bad enough to have aces up and treat it like the nuts here. Hand 2 this is AA a lot but also QQ/JJ so it's fine without better reads. I probs just call his flop donkbet though.

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Originally Posted by Keilah

B)If we're far ahead of a sensible player's range, but a loose/passive donator starts betting strong...

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Its expensive to pick a fight with TPTK-like hands when a truly passive guy suddenly goes nuts.

Hand 1 looks fine tho, as badgers says, he´s overplaying Aces up everytime.

Folding hand 2 would prolly be a mistake. If he 4bet pre we´d stack off anyway, why fold now when his range is more weightened towards QQ/JJ given his flat pre?

See to me, in hand 1, I check the flop as V will play any ace, and an AF of 1 with a vpip of 47 is somewhat aggessive, so we A) keep the pot small and B) [scared to say this with the recent posts :o ] see where we're at. I see V betting a TP crap kicker here with those stats. Am I thinking to simple minded here? Please correct me if I'm wrong

Both are played fine. Except for maybe hand 2 where it's obvious villain has AA.

Take hand 1 here http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...l-bad-f42.html

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Originally Posted by XTR1000

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Originally Posted by Keilah

B)If we're far ahead of a sensible player's range, but a loose/passive donator starts betting strong...

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Its expensive to pick a fight with TPTK-like hands when a truly passive guy suddenly goes nuts.

Hand 1 looks fine tho, as badgers says, he´s overplaying Aces up everytime.

Folding hand 2 would prolly be a mistake. If he 4bet pre we´d stack off anyway, why fold now when his range is more weightened towards QQ/JJ given his flat pre?

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I'm talking less TPTK and more 'sets on a board where the only hand that beats us is a gapper that called a bet or two with a gutshot and now villain is going crazy'. Because gappers are always in a loose/passive's range, and flat calling with only 4 outs is always a weapon in his arsenal.

Probably I'm just upset cuz I got hit with a cooler like this every 600 hands or so.

Nice to know everyone's agreeing (or almost agreeing) with my plays though.

4.5 BI in 4k hands is nothing to worry about. dont sweat it.