Supersqueezysexytime - line check plz

Please comment on all streets.

Basically iPoker software is sexy but the tables are majority lame 19/8 grinders and so I'm learning how to do those cool tricks that you ballas do - plus learn skills that'll equip me to destroy low stakes games once I get there.

Initial PFR had been there less than an orbit, squeeze victims had no notable attributes.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($52.13)
UTG+1 ($10.00)
CO ($54.26)
BTN ($53.65)
SB ($53.55)
Hero ($44.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB :5c: :ac:
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.75, Hero raises to $10, UTG calls $7.5, CO folds, SB folds

Flop: :as: :8h: :7c: ($23.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: :3h: ($23.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $14.5, UTG calls $14.5

River: :4d: ($52.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $20.5

A+ postflop

except shove riv

He did shove river and somehow for .50 more than he started the hand with imo.

lol i agree imo

shouldn't have looked in the shorthand game section.

Are we repping that we don't like the Ace on the flop then are trying to push them off in order to get calls from pairs 99+?

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

A+ postflop

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What about preflop?

if utg is one of the 19/8 lame grinders this is bad. If hes opening a wide range this is good, allthough I would check the river.

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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

if utg is one of the 19/8 lame grinders this is bad. If hes opening a wide range this is good, allthough I would check the river.

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Where do you draw the line?

personally, i like 3betting/squeezing players like myself who play something like 22-18, especially when they're opening from CO/BTN.

I dont really like 3betting/squeezing a 19-8 when he's opening from UTG where his opening range is (should be) at it's tightest. Although squeezing is defintely better then plain 3betting.

re : preflop

this goes both ways

ppl who open light from the CO/btn and aren't shitty will often show resistance by calling pre and moving on a pretty good % of flops

tbh I prefer doing it vs the nittier players cuz they just don't play back at it very well

about preflop : I think it's ok... and definitely better to do it with Ax than with any 2... since most non-aggros won't shove TT or JJ or sometimes even QQ pre and you get that good old 3 out suckout equity when called.

but I don't think it's great facing an UTG raiser who we have no reason to think of as laggy<

I feel like a better spot to do it is with a low SC vs a laggy UTG raiser who gets a bunch of calls. you know, about the time in the session where the 1-tablers and nit grinders realize that an aggro is opening a wide range and are calling in position with a wide range

squeeze that shit

if the lagg is thinking, he'll give you credit for a hand since you popped up a UTG raise

then again, we're talking about nl50 so there probably aren't that many good laggs around. guess it's more of a general concept

I just don't squeeze all that much in general so I don't think I can really comment on preflop with a lot of accuracy. without detailed reads, squeezing this spot w A5o doesn't seem all that +ev whereas the preflop scenario I described above def seems +ev

at 50NL I think squeezing might be +EV probably with almost ATC just because of the massive fold equity you get there. I dont like doing it with ATC however, but sc's or Axs are definitely good hands to do it with imo.

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

re : preflop

this goes both ways

ppl who open light from the CO/btn and aren't shitty will often show resistance by calling pre and moving on a pretty good % of flops

tbh I prefer doing it vs the nittier players cuz they just don't play back at it very well

about preflop : I think it's ok... and definitely better to do it with Ax than with any 2... since most non-aggros won't shove TT or JJ or sometimes even QQ pre and you get that good old 3 out suckout equity when called.

but I don't think it's great facing an UTG raiser who we have no reason to think of as laggy<

I feel like a better spot to do it is with a low SC vs a laggy UTG raiser who gets a bunch of calls. you know, about the time in the session where the 1-tablers and nit grinders realize that an aggro is opening a wide range and are calling in position with a wide range

squeeze that shit

if the lagg is thinking, he'll give you credit for a hand since you popped up a UTG raise

then again, we're talking about nl50 so there probably aren't that many good laggs around. guess it's more of a general concept

I just don't squeeze all that much in general so I don't think I can really comment on preflop with a lot of accuracy. without detailed reads, squeezing this spot w A5o doesn't seem all that +ev whereas the preflop scenario I described above def seems +ev

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Good post Genetric.

Hero's getting about 10:6 on the sqeeuze. That's a lot, and on most raising ranges you'll have enough FE just preflop.
An 8 PFR raising UTG is VERY tight though.

Also, I like hero's hand choice of Axs, because as mentioned we'll have some outs against villains calling range. Which helps a lot if me imagine UTG is one level higher and knows this is a good sqeeuze spot for us, thus calling a bit wider.

So overall I definately think it's +EV and I like hero's postflop line.

Looks good to me - but you need to reload. I don't reload every hand either, but once you get to be $5 short (and four other players have larger than full stacks), you need to fill up again.

i would only check flop if it was with the intention of betting one street before showdown otherwise i would bet the flop

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Originally Posted by sauce123

i would only check flop if it was with the intention of betting one street before showdown otherwise i would bet the flop

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I don't think I'm reading this correctly. Are you saying if you checked the flop, you would only go for one street of value? ie. check the river after betting the turn?

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Originally Posted by Galapogos

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Originally Posted by sauce123

i would only check flop if it was with the intention of betting one street before showdown otherwise i would bet the flop

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I don't think I'm reading this correctly. Are you saying if you checked the flop, you would only go for one street of value? ie. check the river after betting the turn?

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ya agreed that most thinking players will give you credit for a trap after you check flop and fire turn and riv

but ppl aren't that good

Villain was pretty decent aggro thinker etc

Seat 1: redmundir ($197 in chips)
Seat 2: Ezeemoney ($99 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO ($203.70 in chips)
Seat 4: Martsim ($170.25 in chips)
Seat 5: VILLAIN ($200 in chips)
Seat 6: Welshace ($142.63 in chips)
Martsim: posts small blind $1
VILLAIN: posts big blind $2

----- HOLE CARDS -----

dealt to HERO :jd: :9s:
Welshace: folds
redmundir: folds
Ezeemoney: folds
HERO: raises to $7
Martsim: calls $6
VILLAIN: raises to $29
HERO: raises to $56
Martsim: folds
VILLAIN: calls $27

----- FLOP ----- :7d: :4c: :js:

VILLAIN: checks
HERO: checks

----- TURN ----- :7d: :4c: :js: :9h:

VILLAIN: checks
HERO: bets $56
VILLAIN: calls $56

----- RIVER ----- :7d: :4c: :js: :9h: :5d:

VILLAIN: checks
HERO: bets $91.70 and is all-in
VILLAIN: is all-in $88
Returned uncalled bets $3.70 to HERO

----- SHOW DOWN -----

HERO: shows :jd: :9s: (Two Pairs, Jacks and Nines, Seven high)
VILLAIN: shows :ac: :7c: (A Pair of Sevens, Ace high)
HERO collected $404 from Main pot