1/2 floating flop raise oop with Q high in 3bet pot deep

Seat 1: 1Bosoxman1 ($292.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Duckslayer2k ($317.65 in chips)
Seat 3: kadi100 ($235.50 in chips)
Seat 4: BallCup ($341.15 in chips)
Seat 5: GCFleetly ($519 in chips)
Seat 6: Renton555 ($478 in chips)
Renton555: posts small blind $1
1Bosoxman1: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Tc Qd]

Duckslayer2k: folds
kadi100: folds
BallCup: folds
GCFleetly: raises $4 to $6
Renton555: raises $18 to $24
1Bosoxman1: folds
GCFleetly: calls $18

*** FLOP *** [Kc 6s 3s]

Renton555: bets $32
GCFleetly: raises $44 to $76
Renton555: calls $44


villain 28/22/4.9 over 112 hands, seems like thinking opposition. I've got a bit of a crazy image, i've been 3betting him somewhat liberally, so he's rpobably calling pretyt lightly pre here.

whats the question? hopefully you have a plan>

Wouldn't you rather do this with a hand that's going to have some equity?

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Originally Posted by Galapogos

Wouldn't you rather do this with a hand that's going to have some equity?

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This..and overall I think it's meh.

But I actually am very interested in wether you are gonna b/f or c/r the turn and why.

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Originally Posted by minSim

But I actually am very interested in wether you are gonna b/f or c/r the turn and why.

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option 'c'?

check behind turn then bet river yeah, if he has a hand he will c/r turn alot but if he checks both streets he has air alot.

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Originally Posted by Renton

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Originally Posted by minSim

But I actually am very interested in wether you are gonna b/f or c/r the turn and why.

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option 'c'?

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Than I'm not following your thought process.

- What hand/hands are you trying to represent on the flop?
- On what turn cards do you want to continue representing?
- Possibly on what river cards do you want to continue, and what turn action is needed for it?

This hand sucks in isolation, but we all know that already.

All I'll add is that when I'm giving lots of action it's so hard to figure if you've inspired someone to fight back or if they've caught something.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

All I'll add is that when I'm giving lots of action it's so hard to figure if you're inspired someone to fight back or if they've caught something.

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If I could solve this I might actually make a decent clip at this game. Though I'm starting to believe the answer is they are all awful and only wait for cards. Every time I open up my stacking range a bit under the assumption they're possibly giving their hands more value it's never less than the nuts.

Guess you are deep enough to run a bluff like this but you would have to put him on a pretty wide range after the flop raise for this to be profitable.

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Originally Posted by Galapogos

Wouldn't you rather do this with a hand that's going to have some equity?

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I agree with this. I'd prefer this much more with like A9 or something even, cause if he is bluffing he'll likely bluff the A.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

This hand sucks in isolation, but we all know that already.

All I'll add is that when I'm giving lots of action it's so hard to figure if you've inspired someone to fight back or if they've caught something.

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the more aggro / out of control you play the easier it is to determine whether or not someone has a hand or is fighting back. poker is a psychological game, and if u can understand that, you will understand who is fighting and who is sitting back and waiting.

the answer in this situation is pretty simple as long as you have shown villain you are willing to put all the money in super light preflop. in which case he'll never slowplay, and everytime he flats you'll know he isnt holding a big hand -- it makes zero sense for him to flat a big hand when he knows youll be getting it in lighter. its actually just common sense, the reason most players lack the ability to read these situations is because they dont have the testicular fortitude to show a dude whats up and make a point that u r the table captain and theres nothing he can do about it (unless of course hes catching cards, then you have to start to smalll ball him or pick another table.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

This hand sucks in isolation, but we all know that already.

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This hand sucks theoretically too.

Although, I kind of like checking this flop with air most of the time. It's a flop that opp should not be bluffing a lot on and we can rep QQ/JJ on the turn if he checks behind on the flop. This deep we really have no good play back to this raise OOP.

Is 24 from 6 standard for you here? You shouldn't be raising a bigger number OOP deep btw.

The thing I hate most about calling here is opp would have to be a dumbass to not have a balanced range by the river. He's going to check behind the turn 80% unless
1. a spade comes or something and we are going to play right into that.
2. He has a fd.

So yeah, I don't like this.

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Is 24 from 6 standard for you here? You shouldn't be raising a bigger number OOP deep btw.

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i generally go 6-->24, 7-->26, 8-->27 oop and 6-->20, 7-->22, 8-->24 ip regardless of stacks

ballin imo

Why would you slowplay a twotone flop with AK/KK+ this deep?

i think its a reasonable way to play AK since its a bluff catcher essentially.

imo he's bluffing here the vast majority so i'd prob flat a set too.

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

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Originally Posted by Fnord

This hand sucks in isolation, but we all know that already.

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This hand sucks theoretically too.

Although, I kind of like checking this flop with air most of the time. It's a flop that opp should not be bluffing a lot on and we can rep QQ/JJ on the turn if he checks behind on the flop. This deep we really have no good play back to this raise OOP.

Is 24 from 6 standard for you here? You shouldn't be raising a bigger number OOP deep btw.

The thing I hate most about calling here is opp would have to be a dumbass to not have a balanced range by the river. He's going to check behind the turn 80% unless
1. a spade comes or something and we are going to play right into that.
2. He has a fd.

So yeah, I don't like this.

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boom. right on.

i dont think any problem is so much flop play, but what to do on latter streets. i probably just stop n go, but i dunno

paging gabe, i'm sure you've made plays like this before

If you are REALLY good, then this is fucking awesome.

My thought process xposted from the the hand thread on 2p2:



I didn't give him credit for being able to raise flop with a king (or i gave him credit for not raising it, depending on what level we're talking about). So I gave him a range of {set, air, nfd}. tbh I thought he'd be smart enough that he wouldn't even raise a draw, but just to be safe i put it in his range, albeit at a very low weighting. Due to the possibility of him having a draw, I decided that calling was a better way to win the pot than 3betting. I thought it would also represent a more credible range of hands.

I also thought calling would enable me to figure out his hand more accurately on the turn. I think he puts me on a hand thats going with it on a blank, so once he bets turn, he basically has a set, and i fold. However, i expect the turn to go check check an extremely high % of the time.

So my plan was to either bet small on a non-flush completing river or c/c any bet if i pair up.

Slightly disagree with your analysis. I'm betting he checks behind a set, yet bets a flush draw.

I was also wondering how sure you are he checks behind his FD's and air.

because i called a raise on the flop oop with my 250bb stack under threat?

Do you think history will make villains perceived range of you stronger or weaker?

Do you think villain expects you to fold a lot of underpairs and weak kings on the flop? what about a turn bet?

Do you 3-bet draws / think villain expects you to 3-bet them?