Continuation Betting

Hi Poker Pros,

I'm working on my continuation betting. What I'm hearing and wondering about though is continuation betting at a loose table. It seems if the table is loose/aggressive that a c-bet will almost always draw a shove by someone... am I misinterpreting the shove as just loose play or should I be worried about it being stronger?

This is mostly I think a theory question as I have no stats/hands to back it up, but I have this rumbling thought in my head on some tables that to c-bet I may as well shove since I know it is getting called no matter what, which in turn makes me really tighten my range (I am assuming this is correct at these loose tables to a certain point, but determining that cut-off point seems to be my problem... )

Or am I just hungry?

What game are you playing?

Site/City? Stakes?

Fnord... Ipswitch, Greenland, $100 tables...

No seriously, $5 SNG's on FTP.

I don't like the Cbet shove idea. For many reasons, but the chief reason is that you are all in with nothing. Not a good strategy imho.

Even at $5 the texture is not consistent. You have wild games and tight games. You have games that start wild and tighten up when a couple maniacs get busted. I've sat at SNG where the table was still full after 60 hands and then by the 70th hand we're down to the bubble.

I Cbet regularly. But my Cbet looks exactly the same as my bet when I nail the flop. So, if you ask me a Cbet shove is a bad idea. Vary your Cbet size within a range but don't shove. At least not unless you have some very good evidence to back it up.

You should be cherishing your seat at games with shoves all over the place. Your monsters will get paid off!

I agree with gop 100%...thats a really bad idea..even more so that your considering this at a loose table...cbets are bluffs for when you miss the flop..the goal is to take down the pot right there...not shove and push people off hands when you have nothing...gop if you do hit your hand it wouldnt be a cbet,it would be more on the lines of a value bet....

If you get shoved over when you cbet your most likely going to have to fold right there...however if you see a player do this everytime a player bet around 1/2 to 2/3 pot then I would probably call the villians shove with a much wider range...but more than likely your cbet should never be a shove and you should really not call a shove-over by a villian when you cbet unless the above situation is there or other special circumstances...

It depends on stack sizes, your hand, texture of the board, position, and reads you have on your opponents (not particularly in that order). As always it's situational. Need examples.

Many bad players will call small bets relative to their stack size very lightly, but when the real "money" hits the table they tighten up. I do this all the time in live games. I know my c-bet won't get them to fold shit, but I pretty much commit to a "real money" second or even third barrel that has a lot of fold equity in an even bigger pot.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Many bad players will call small bets relative to their stack size very lightly, but when the real "money" hits the table they tighten up. I do this all the time in live games. I know my c-bet won't get them to fold shit, but I pretty much commit to a "real money" second or even third barrel that has a lot of fold equity in an even bigger pot.

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Interesting. Give us an example?