Playing draws OOP

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03-22-2008, 06:38 PM
dev

Playing draws OOP

2 FR, 2 6M so I decided to post these here. I get a little uncomfortable in these spots because I don't like getting too agro with a naked draw. Any thoughts are appreciated. Hands are numbered so we have examples, but I'm looking for a more general conversation on playing draws OOP.

no reads unless stated.

Hand 1)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG+1 ($12.75)
MP1 ($12.85)
MP2 ($22.40)
MP3 ($14.30)
CO ($14.15)
Button ($22.55)
Hero ($24.75)
BB ($20)
UTG ($15.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ad.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.35.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/td.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8h.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.75, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls $0.75, BB folds.

Turn: ($2.85) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3s.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.5, Hero calls $1.50.

River: ($5.85) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG+1 raises to $10.25, Hero calls $5.25.

Final Pot: $26.35

Hand 2)
PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($19.90)
UTG+1 ($22.85)
MP1 ($24.50)
MP2 ($31.20)
MP3 ($4.65)
CO ($23.75)
Button ($17.65)
SB ($13.70)
Hero ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3h.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/4c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9h.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.75, MP3 calls $0.75, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75.

Turn: ($3.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9s.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($3.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/4s.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $2, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: $3.50
Hand 3)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($51.90)
UTG ($15.60)
MP ($30.95)
Button ($25)
SB ($40.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5h.gif.
2 folds, Button raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/4d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6c.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $2.5, SB raises to $5, Hero calls $5, Button calls $2.50.

Turn: ($18) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3c.gif (3 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6, Button raises to $19, SB calls $13, Hero calls $13.

River: ($75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ks.gif (3 players)
SB bets $15.85 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $75

Hand 4)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($57.65)
MP ($8.10)
Button ($32.30)
SB ($25)
BB ($41.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ts.gif.
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 3 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qs.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5d.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, MP raises to $4.5, Hero calls $2.25.

Turn: ($11.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2c.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.6 (All-In), Hero calls $2.60.

River: ($0) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9c.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $16.55
03-22-2008, 07:04 PM
spoonitnow

Re: Playing draws OOP

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Originally Posted by dev

2 FR, 2 6M so I decided to post these here. I get a little uncomfortable in these spots because I don't like getting too agro with a naked draw. Any thoughts are appreciated. Hands are numbered so we have examples, but I'm looking for a more general conversation on playing draws OOP.

Fix the first bold part and the second bold part fixes itself.
03-22-2008, 08:21 PM
dev

Re: Playing draws OOP

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by dev

2 FR, 2 6M so I decided to post these here. I get a little uncomfortable in these spots because I don't like getting too agro with a naked draw. Any thoughts are appreciated. Hands are numbered so we have examples, but I'm looking for a more general conversation on playing draws OOP.

Fix the first bold part and the second bold part fixes itself.

Care to elaborate?
03-22-2008, 09:11 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by dev

2 FR, 2 6M so I decided to post these here. I get a little uncomfortable in these spots because I don't like getting too agro with a naked draw. Any thoughts are appreciated. Hands are numbered so we have examples, but I'm looking for a more general conversation on playing draws OOP.

Fix the first bold part and the second bold part fixes itself.

Care to elaborate?

Yeah sorry for the short response, was in a hurry.

Being aggressive with draws is necessary a lot of the time, especially in heads up pots.

In hand 1, I prefer to check/call the flop since there are so many people in the pot and you probably don't have any fold equity. Hand 2 is pretty much the same. In these multi-way pots (especially limped pots) it's often better to check/call since you tend to get better pot equity (ie: you see multiple streets multi-way) and better implied odds simply because the SPRs are so high.

Hand 3 is a little tougher. You could possibly bet the flop if you don't think the button will raise you with worse hands. If you do think he would, then you could even check/raise.

Hand 4 is standard. Continuation bets with good draws are almost always good, and you correctly played the rest of the hand.

In general you should be continuation betting with good (8+ out) draws most of time since your fold equity almost always makes it a +EV play. If your opponents pay attention, then you also gain value from your "made" hands since your flop bets will start to become a slightly less respected.
03-23-2008, 01:16 AM
dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Hand 3 is a little tougher. You could possibly bet the flop if you don't think the button will raise you with worse hands. If you do think he would, then you could even check/raise.

I can't think of many players at 25nl with the ability to raise me from the button with a worse hand than mine (besides myself). That said, if I lead out, I could get shut out of the pot.

If I lead and the button raises, the SB has to call to give me drawing odds OOP on the button. If the SB flats there, the stuff in his range scares the crap out of me. If the SB gets out of the way and I'm getting like 2:1, knowing the button is likely to bet the turn if I'm beat and check behind if he wont pay off anyway, I can't really call. So it seems that by leading out I might lose my chance at my draw. Is it better here to b/f than to check and see what the other players give me?
04-04-2008, 12:23 PM
SirBank

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Originally Posted by dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Hand 3 is a little tougher. You could possibly bet the flop if you don't think the button will raise you with worse hands. If you do think he would, then you could even check/raise.

I can't think of many players at 25nl with the ability to raise me from the button with a worse hand than mine (besides myself). That said, if I lead out, I could get shut out of the pot.

If I lead and the button raises, the SB has to call to give me drawing odds OOP on the button. If the SB flats there, the stuff in his range scares the crap out of me. If the SB gets out of the way and I'm getting like 2:1, knowing the button is likely to bet the turn if I'm beat and check behind if he wont pay off anyway, I can't really call. So it seems that by leading out I might lose my chance at my draw. Is it better here to b/f than to check and see what the other players give me?
04-04-2008, 12:24 PM
SirBank

Quote:

Originally Posted by dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Hand 3 is a little tougher. You could possibly bet the flop if you don't think the button will raise you with worse hands. If you do think he would, then you could even check/raise.

I can't think of many players at 25nl with the ability to raise me from the button with a worse hand than mine (besides myself). That said, if I lead out, I could get shut out of the pot.

If I lead and the button raises, the SB has to call to give me drawing odds OOP on the button. If the SB flats there, the stuff in his range scares the crap out of me. If the SB gets out of the way and I'm getting like 2:1, knowing the button is likely to bet the turn if I'm beat and check behind if he wont pay off anyway, I can't really call. So it seems that by leading out I might lose my chance at my draw. Is it better here to b/f than to check and see what the other players give me?