50NL: two unrelated hands

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03-10-2008, 09:17 PM
d0zer

50NL: two unrelated hands

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($51.50)
Hero ($50)
BB ($68)
UTG ($48.55)
UTG+1 ($51.70)
MP1 ($40.50)
MP2 ($81.50)
MP3 ($65)
CO ($69.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
5 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB folds, CO folds, Button raises to $5, Hero raises to $18.5, Button calls $12.

Turn: ($37.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players) Hero ...?

Villain is 24/8/1.8 over 100. What's the gameplan here? His flop line really screams 2pr / set, both make the turn scary.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($64.70)
MP3 ($50.95)
CO ($50)
Button ($48.25)
SB ($79.85)
BB ($52.60)
UTG ($21.40)
UTG+1 ($48.50)
MP1 ($22.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/as.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, BB calls $2.50, UTG+1 calls $2.50, MP1 calls $2.50.

Flop: ($12.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/4c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kh.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $8, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $8, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($28.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8h.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($28.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9s.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $11.5, Hero ... ?

Villain unknown here. Anyone like check/call on the river?
03-10-2008, 09:27 PM
Fnord

Hand 1: All-in
Hand 2: Call.
03-10-2008, 09:34 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1: All-in
Hand 2: Call.

What's the point of pushing hand1? What hands that I beat are looking me up?

As played, I checked the turn & he bet half pot sized. Still push?
03-10-2008, 10:11 PM
vegascoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1: All-in
Hand 2: Call.

What's the point of pushing hand1? What hands that I beat are looking me up?

As played, I checked the turn & he bet half pot sized. Still push?

I play in these NL50 games at FTP. I see AA/KK played like this occasionally and other head scratchers. I would shove this flop since there is just no way I could fold.

You may be toast in this case, but in general, don't make the mistake of giving these guys too much credit.
03-10-2008, 10:31 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegascoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1: All-in
Hand 2: Call.

What's the point of pushing hand1? What hands that I beat are looking me up?

As played, I checked the turn & he bet half pot sized. Still push?

I play in these NL50 games at FTP. I see AA/KK played like this occasionally and other head scratchers. I would shove this flop since there is just no way I could fold.

You may be toast in this case, but in general, don't make the mistake of giving these guys too much credit.

This is why I need you guys...I've been turned nit by a long, long cooler. At least long fer my n00b ass.

If you're a reg on FT 50NL I'd be surprised if I didn't have stats on you...I've logged 20k hands over the last couple weeks as BlueCheer ... you?
03-10-2008, 11:13 PM
Vrax

Quote:

What's the point of pushing hand1? What hands that I beat are looking me up?

Because there is only a pot behind, you flopped nuts turned into vulnerable (but still strong) hand, you aren't folding at any point and check/check on turn vs many potential combo draws would be a blunder. All-in is the only option. If he filled up his set/2p, then good for him.
03-10-2008, 11:26 PM
Fnord

In hand 1 check/call misses value against weaker hands and gives a free card to a two pair or three of a kind board which can easily be a full house with the hole cards. It sucks less against aggressive opponents who will bluff, but we don't have that read here.

In Hand 2 we checked the turn to keep the pot under control to get to showdown, now we follow through and play show & tell.
03-11-2008, 01:07 AM
vegascoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

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Originally Posted by vegascoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1: All-in
Hand 2: Call.

What's the point of pushing hand1? What hands that I beat are looking me up?

As played, I checked the turn & he bet half pot sized. Still push?

I play in these NL50 games at FTP. I see AA/KK played like this occasionally and other head scratchers. I would shove this flop since there is just no way I could fold.

You may be toast in this case, but in general, don't make the mistake of giving these guys too much credit.

This is why I need you guys...I've been turned nit by a long, long cooler. At least long fer my n00b ass.

If you're a reg on FT 50NL I'd be surprised if I didn't have stats on you...I've logged 20k hands over the last couple weeks as BlueCheer ... you?

Only 179 together in my DB. I'm ra1lb1rd. I don't datamine anymore. thinking of starting again.
03-11-2008, 01:21 AM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1: All-in
Hand 2: Call.

QFT

dozer=bluecheer nice to know
vegascoop=ra1lb1rd check your 8Ts hands and wonder that I don't slowplay top set too often any more...
03-11-2008, 11:05 AM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegascoop

Only 179 together in my DB. I'm ra1lb1rd. I don't datamine anymore. thinking of starting again.

I got you at 12.5/7.5/2.5 over 120 hands. 21 PTBB/100 too :o

I can't believe I folded that straight. I never would have before this cooler...it fucked with my mind something fierce :( After losing in spots like this over and over and over...gah... OK -- I'll stop whining about my cooler now.

Thanks for the slap in the face FTR -- I needed that.

I'm happy with the way I played the AK hand. I called, villain showed AhQh :x

...is daven 'davenigma' by chance? Stats look pretty taggy -- 13/10/5 over 60
03-11-2008, 12:38 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

I can't believe I folded that straight.

:shock:
03-11-2008, 01:09 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by d0zer

I can't believe I folded that straight.

:shock:

Yes yes, rub it in...I'm a stupid nit.

At the time I just really didn't see such a relatively passive villain playing the flop like that with only a pair. Later that session I ran into another straight and stacked a villain overplaying TPTK. He called my flop bet (I was betting an OESD) and got it all-in on the turn after it completed.

It was a good reminder that at these limits people do still overplay TPTK.
03-11-2008, 01:19 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

It was a good reminder that at these limits people do still overplay TPTK.

This is so wrong.

TPTK is a good hand.
People stack off with it at 200NL (and up) as well.
As you move up people just get a little tighter and more aggressive.
03-11-2008, 01:29 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

It was a good reminder that at these limits people do still overplay TPTK.

This is so wrong.

TPTK is a good hand.
People stack off with it at 200NL (and up) as well.
As you move up people just get a little tighter and more aggressive.

Good, thinking players stack off with TPTK against other thinking players, or vs maniacs/stations?

When I read a lot of your posts, I thing you're a maniac sometimes, but most likely I just need to move a little bit in the LAGG direction. I probably shutdown too easily on scary boards, or when facing a lot of aggression. I fold TPTK a lot when being re-raised from a tighter player who flat called me PF.
03-11-2008, 01:37 PM
Fnord

I'm not saying auto-felt TPTK when predictable players tell you you're beat or if you're stuck in a very serious ROI situation. I'm just saying, it's a hand you need to be willing to put your stack behind and expect others to do so as well. Particularly against erractic players, in big pots, etc.
03-11-2008, 01:55 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I'm not saying auto-felt TPTK when predictable players tell you you're beat or if you're stuck in a very serious ROI situation. I'm just saying, it's a hand you need to be willing to put your stack behind and expect others to do so as well. Particularly against erractic players, in big pots, etc.

Well when I mentioned overplaying TPTK, the situation was: i raised PF with KQs in MP2, get called by the fullstack button unknown holding AJ. Flop JT8 rainbow. I bet, he calls. Turn comes a 9, I bet, he raises big, I push, he calls, I smile.

3-bet pots sure I go broke with TPTK, or vs big stations I'll often value-bet 3 streets with TPTK. I just don't like going up against another bigstack TAGG in a standard raised pot HU. When I lead & get re-raised or check-raised I usually give it up easily -- maybe a little too easily, I dunno... Maybe I gotta start posting more of my TPTK vs regs hands.
03-11-2008, 02:56 PM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

...is daven 'davenigma' by chance? Stats look pretty taggy -- 13/10/5 over 60

yup, and Warpe is slumming with us too...
03-11-2008, 03:31 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

...is daven 'davenigma' by chance? Stats look pretty taggy -- 13/10/5 over 60

yup, and Warpe is slumming with us too...

Got him at almost 20/10/3.2. He likes limping even more than I do.

Now that you know I'm a huge nit, just re-raise me anytime I bet into you...I'll insta-fold with anything but the 3rd nuts+ :(
03-11-2008, 10:24 PM
vegascoop

warpe sn = ?

I don't have anything that starts with warpe. I have davenigma at 17/12.5/5 over 270.
03-11-2008, 11:53 PM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegascoop

warpe sn = ?
I don't have anything that starts with warpe. I have davenigma at 17/12.5/5 over 270.

warpe....
was that when I was running good or bad?
03-12-2008, 01:13 AM
vegascoop

evenish