2 turn bets?

Villain is nitty reg 20/12/3.5. Went to SD is 27%.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($383.50)
UTG+1 ($111.95)
CO ($204.70)
BTN ($278.90)
SB ($276.37)
Hero ($210.20)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB :js: :jh:
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10, UTG calls $8, UTG+1 folds

Flop: :5s: :qd: :9d: ($25, 2 players)
Hero bets $17, UTG calls $17

Turn: :qc: ($59, 2 players)
Hero ($183.2)?


Villain is loose fish with 34/13 stats. Probably calls flop with a wide range.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($85.70)
UTG+1 ($455.25)
CO ($328.40)
Hero ($220.70)
SB ($325.70)
BB ($198.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN :ad: :ks:
2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, CO calls $7

Flop: :6s: :4h: :ts: ($21, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: :jh: ($49, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero ($197.7)?

Hand 1: I think this is a standard bet/fold, no?

Hand 2: I imagine the jack hits his range, so i tend to c/f these. But it sure feels weak, since u often folds the best hand if he bets.

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1 yeah
2 i think betting would be decent but a lot more marginal than the first one

1) bet bigger preflop to $14 and yeah b/f
2) i feel kind of meh about it. betting is fine but so is checking behind. we have anywhere from 7-10 outs and possibly winning.

Hand 1: How does he play flush draws? If he's passive about it I like the turn bet.

Hand 2: yeah

I tend to check back the second one.

Ok cool. I bet both of them at the time so happy about that. Just to be clear about it, if we bet the second hand is it for value or is it a bluff?

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

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wow i never saw this side of the argument. thanks for opening my eyes.

Hand 1 I would bet.

Hand 2 I would probably check behind because I don't want to get c/red and he won't fold his T's. Which I think is most of his range btw.
If our plan is to 3 barrel lots of rivers I like betting turn more.

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Originally Posted by will641

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

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wow i never saw this side of the argument. thanks for opening my eyes.

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Well if you disagree than ask a question.

Irish: 2nd one would be a bluff but ofc sometimes its value, a lot of bluffs are always value versus draws as long as we dont expect him to reraise them.

Misread the hh. U are in position in hand 2 so i bet this a lot of the time. A bet doesn't only charge draws, it also often allows u to check behind for free on river. This is nice cus u don't have to play guessing game, as he would many times bet into u on river with both air and weak pairs if u check turn.

hand one is like the quintessential bet/fold

hand 1 - I don't mind bet/fold here. sometimes I c/c though, if I t hink he was peeling off the flop with a mid pair. If turn checks through I bet/fold river.

hand 2 - I hate the idea of getting c/rd off my draw here so I prob check through and hope for my (hopefully) 10 outs.

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Irish: 2nd one would be a bluff but ofc sometimes its value, a lot of bluffs are always value versus draws as long as we dont expect him to reraise them.

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Well given the read his turn call range is like any decent TP (9 kicker or better), any hearts any spades, 2 pair+. I just don't see what we're bluffing him off except like middle pair.

midpair, bottom pair, pp's, who knows he may fold a T.