5/10: I flopped a set damnit!

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12-14-2007, 07:07 AM
pocketfours

5/10: I flopped a set damnit!

Well, I actually didn't...

Cutoff is 14/22/1.5 and seems fairly decent although I haven't seen him before. My image is good. I haven't donkbet a single time at the table before this.

His river bet looks weak and I think the ace gives me reason enough to c/r a set since the flush draw missed. I put him on AsXs or aces up. I don't think he would ever put me on total air here.

Seat 3: BUTTON ($320.75 in chips)
Seat 4: SB ($2,550.60 in chips)
Seat 8: HERO [ 10S,QD ] ($2,170.35 in chips)
Seat 9: UTG ($3,690.95 in chips)
Seat 10: CUTOFF ($1,120.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
SB posts blind ($5), HERO posts blind ($10).

PRE-FLOP
UTG folds, CUTOFF bets $35, BUTTON folds, SB folds, HERO calls $25.

FLOP [board cards KH,8S,2S ] (pot $75)
HERO bets $55, CUTOFF calls $55.

TURN [board cards KH,8S,2S,6C ] (pot $185)
HERO bets $145, CUTOFF calls $145.

RIVER [board cards KH,8S,2S,6C,AC ] (pot $475)
HERO checks, CUTOFF bets $80, HERO bets $1,935.35 and is all-in...

$805 for villain to call...
12-14-2007, 02:04 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

I think you definitely can rep a strong hand here and since river bets like this are almost never very strong hands...

this is goot. Although a shove is overkill because it's likely that he doesn't have anything stronger than one pair.
12-14-2007, 07:03 PM
IowaSkinsFan

I really don't like your flop lead, i really hate it, and I hate your turn bet even more especially with your plan on an Ace river to c/r (which i assume wasnt the plan going in :) ). Preflop is pretty bad too, i mean the only thing decent about this hand is your c/r all in.
12-14-2007, 07:31 PM
pocketfours

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I really don't like your flop lead, i really hate it, and I hate your turn bet even more especially with your plan on an Ace river to c/r (which i assume wasnt the plan going in :) ). Preflop is pretty bad too, i mean the only thing decent about this hand is your c/r all in.

Just mixing it up ISF :) The guy was probably the worst player at the table and I felt like seeing a flop against him. I don't usually defend QTo from the BB.

Now why do you hate the donkbet, that I don't get? Villain cbets were at 80%, so I certainly don't see anything wrong with a donkbet. It's pretty much the only good way to win here.

About the turn bet. I virtually never bluff only one street, except when I cbet and shut down, that's just my style of play. Being a calling station against me is either very expensive or very profitable.

And stop being so full of hatred mate :)
12-14-2007, 07:37 PM
zook

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Now why do you hate the donkbet, that I don't get? Villain cbets were at 80%, so I certainly don't see anything wrong with a donkbet. It's pretty much the only good way to win here.

Why not c/r?
12-14-2007, 09:41 PM
pocketfours

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Originally Posted by zook

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

Now why do you hate the donkbet, that I don't get? Villain cbets were at 80%, so I certainly don't see anything wrong with a donkbet. It's pretty much the only good way to win here.

Why not c/r?

Because I'm dead against his calling range. A Donkbet is a much cheaper way to buy this pot with complete garbage. I certainly can't c/r every hand, so it's obviously much better to choose the spots where I have some outs if I'm called. Right?
12-14-2007, 11:07 PM
zook

I dunno, with a hand here (set or fd) I always c/r because it's such an obvious c-betting board. Since his range is wide in the CO and he c-bets this board close to 100%, I think you can profitably c/r almost your entire range.
12-14-2007, 11:14 PM
Pelion

Re: 5/10: I flopped a set damnit!

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Cutoff is 14/22/1.5

huh?

22/14?
12-15-2007, 12:47 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I really don't like your flop lead, i really hate it, and I hate your turn bet even more especially with your plan on an Ace river to c/r (which i assume wasnt the plan going in :) ). Preflop is pretty bad too, i mean the only thing decent about this hand is your c/r all in.

Just mixing it up ISF :) The guy was probably the worst player at the table and I felt like seeing a flop against him. I don't usually defend QTo from the BB.

Now why do you hate the donkbet, that I don't get? Villain cbets were at 80%, so I certainly don't see anything wrong with a donkbet. It's pretty much the only good way to win here.

About the turn bet. I virtually never bluff only one street, except when I cbet and shut down, that's just my style of play. Being a calling station against me is either very expensive or very profitable.

And stop being so full of hatred mate :)

This is ISF btw.

Sorry for sounding hateful, i really dont mean to be i have nothing against you, I actually like the hands you post a lot!

You say you called because "he was bad." and to "mix it up." The guy raises 14% of hands preflop, most which have you dominated, your OOP, and your hand has almost no implied odds. I think a guy who plays 17/5 is bad too, but im sure as hell not playing QTo from the blinds versus his raise (I know its an exaggerationg but 14% is very few amount of hands, even in the CO). And also you said "fairly decent" originally, which to me means he can read hands well if he's playing this high, if you think hes bad though you should change it.

Flop this just isn't a solid spot for a donk bet unless your planning on two barrelling and i think you realized this at the time. You have almost no equity though and your OOP, if you had a gutter i think this is fine, but this just seems like one of those things were you pretty much decided you were going to bluff a lot when you called pre so you did. There are very rare times where making this sort of play with very little equity is good, and this doesn't seem like one of those spots. If you think he's bad i dont see why you didn't bet the river? I mean yes if he has an Ace fd, he hit the river and isn't likely folding, but if he has QQ-99, 8x, or w/e he's probably folding. This is if he can't read hands well. If he can read hands well then the lead is bad especially because the two barrel is bad, you're just repping way too thin of a range when you tell him you want to play for stacks on the turn.
12-15-2007, 06:02 AM
pocketfours

Re: 5/10: I flopped a set damnit!

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Originally Posted by Pelion

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

Cutoff is 14/22/1.5

huh?

22/14?

Yes 22/14 obviously :)
12-15-2007, 06:31 AM
pocketfours

Good points ISF.

Villain was fairly decent as I said, but still all the others were regulars so he was clearly the weakest link. I had the feeling that I could read him pretty well and he wasn't trappy. You are right though, QTo was too weak to defend here.

I virtually never bluff lead three barrels anymore. I used to, but I just couldn't do it profitably so for now I don't do it unless the board really requires me to do it. This spot wasn't good enough.

I really don't think his range hits this board very hard, so I'm still pretty happy with the donkbet (considering my very limited options). This passive villain was never going to call unless he hit and almost never bluff raise.

Villain folded AK.
12-15-2007, 06:38 AM
pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by zook

I dunno, with a hand here (set or fd) I always c/r because it's such an obvious c-betting board. Since his range is wide in the CO and he c-bets this board close to 100%, I think you can profitably c/r almost your entire range.

I do agree with you zook, a c/r here might very well be profitable, but a c/r is putting in a lot of $ and since I don't want to do it too often (to protect my image), I usually choose the times where I have better equity.
12-15-2007, 01:28 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

I think leading here with most of our range can easily be better than c/r most of our range. Reason being is we can only rep so much with a c/r, with a lead we can rep a lot more and he's not just going to try to blow us off a lot.
12-15-2007, 01:50 PM
sauce123

i dont like pf much unless u have extremely specific postflop reads (as in he cbets 40 with trash and 50 with pairs+draws)

i like the lead- and want to do this more hu myself

i dont like the c/r much but maaaybe its ok with ur image
12-15-2007, 06:32 PM
jackvance

Funny how villain ended up losing the pot because he felt the need of making a wimpy 1/6 pot bet on the river.

Then again, he almost stacked you because of that wimpy bet..
12-17-2007, 02:48 PM
sauce123

villain is an example of a shitty second level thinker:

"well, I have AA and KK so... he probably doesn't have an A or K. And, he wouldnt go all in with just two small pair and put OVER ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS at risk. And he seems good, so he won't go broke with a draw or missed draw. So... he has a set... GOD ALL THESE FUCKING ONLINE PLAYERS ALWAYS HIT SETS ON MY 2PAIR THAT I GOT ONCE THE PAST 3 HOURS!!! on the one table im playing. God, they dont think im good enough to make this fold... sigh... discipline... I fold!"