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12-01-2007, 08:45 PM
Chopper

hh for review..

this one happened awhile ago. i dont have reads, as i found this in PT tonight.

villain is "iconed" as LAP. usually, when these guys get rather aggressive, i give them credit, but this one has me perplexed. i'm sure i laid it down because of the "passiveness" this guy usually shows, but think i made a mistake due to the potential of my hand...

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($9.75)
CO ($13.52)
Button ($17.80)
SB ($47.77)
BB ($10)
Hero ($24.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 2 folds.

Flop: ($3.35) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $3, Button calls $3, Hero calls $3, MP calls $3.

Turn: ($15.35) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $9.77 (All-In), Button folds, Hero folds, MP folds.

Final Pot: $5.58

should i call off a stack here against an opponent passive post flop...given strong outs?

even though i have no FE against this type of villain, i prolly should have pushed over his flop bet and felted there.
12-01-2007, 09:05 PM
EzDuzIt

lead out the flop.

also raise to $1 as standard raise instead of .75 if thats what you use normally preflop.
12-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Chopper

pfr i waffled a bit last month. most times 4X, but when 3X, it was that way for the whole session, not just once in awhile.

if you lead flop, what do you do when raised? push?
12-02-2007, 03:54 AM
will641

Quote:

Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

lead out the flop.

also raise to $1 as standard raise instead of .75 if thats what you use normally preflop.

And yes, if someone raises, I would push. It is unlikely someone has an over pair, but possible, and if they do you have outs up the wazoo. Against a straight you are pretty fucked but can still draw out (its also unlikely you are against this).

The most like hand that raises here IMO is a pair + SD which you dominate, or a set which you also have lots of outs against.
12-02-2007, 05:47 AM
Genitruc

if you don t think you have fold equity and you don't think your opponents are aware enough to loosen up and call you down light in later pots, there almost 0 point to playing this hand fast.
12-02-2007, 12:07 PM
Chopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

if you don t think you have fold equity and you don't think your opponents are aware enough to loosen up and call you down light in later pots, there almost 0 point to playing this hand fast.

there inlies my true question. i dont feel i have FE agaisnt these call station villains no matter what the board looks like. i push combos...get called by TP or worse. however, they fold dry boards like no other. its just more the coordinated boards i am noticing.

at what point do you play hands fast, then? do they have to be top two pair or better? and, even then, are you only value betting them?

i often sit at tables with 3+ players who's vpip's are over 40. and most have SD numbers in the mid-30's. they rarely fold to cbets, but i havent seen enough showdowns to get great reads on whether they can bluff or not. i just seem to see a lot of suckouts when i "should" be ahead. ragged two pair hands and what not.
12-02-2007, 12:27 PM
Ash256

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

if you don t think you have fold equity and you don't think your opponents are aware enough to loosen up and call you down light in later pots, there almost 0 point to playing this hand fast.

but a flop SQUEEEEEEEEEEZE seems so sexy right there!
12-02-2007, 01:17 PM
Chopper

thing is, these guys wouldnt know a "squeeze play" if it bit them on the ass. they call if they have something they like, and fold if they dont have at least a draw.
12-02-2007, 02:27 PM
gabe

omg bet flop

if u get raised dont fold
12-02-2007, 05:29 PM
Chopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

omg bet flop

if u get raised dont fold

thank you for that. lately, i have been playing against idiots that you cant semi-bluff. betting draws just got expensive when they werent coming in...and they werent paying extra when they did. i used to pot them 2 streets at old party because they PAID when they hit, too.

i love to bet draws, but this was strictly an adjustment to the opponents i have been playing. 2-3 call stations per table means, to me, wait and bet your draws once they come in...

wrong?
12-03-2007, 12:05 AM
gabe

you are betting because your hand is probaby the best and if its not you have tons of outs. you want to build the pot when you have so much equity.
12-03-2007, 01:55 AM
Renton

betcall flop prob, but if you were observant enough to realise that everyone is half stacked then the stack/pot ratio is perfect to check raise all in.