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This is being typed from my iPhone so sorry if the wording isn't good, I'm not really proof reading it.
From watching ISFs HU match and 6 max video one thing that really jumped out at me was the sizing of his cbets. He seemed to be routinely cbetting over 3/4 pot. I was wondering what are the asvantages to betting so big compared to the "standard" i have heard of 2/3.
- consistency with the rest of your betting.
- getting to felts more often and sooner.
- making it a little less profitable for the 2nd caller, if you are doing this 3way.
those are off the top.
but, for me and my stakes, i HAVE to bet bigger on flop/turn. i play a ton of passives/floaters that like to call one street, maybe two. they call just as many psb's as 2/3's, so why not charge more when ahead? but, against these guys, i cbet less often anyway so i am more inclined to be believed.
1. Bigger cbets build a pot
2. Bigger cbets encourage our opponent to play passive
3. Helps turn peoples hands face up
smaller cbets are great against people who never bluff c/r
Which probably seems to be the case at 50NL where I am stuck for what seems like an enternity. I have recently been experimenting with betting bigger on the flop, and it just seems that my risk/reward factor isn't as good as it used to be. I think in general villains at this level aren't too smart and don't pay attention to bet sizing or anything like that. Also the time I get raised on the flop as a bluff is extremely rare.
theres more to it than risk/reward
post some random hands you cbet in this thread and we'll tell you what we think
"Also the time I get raised on the flop as a bluff is extremely rare"
then bet smaller with nonmade hands and more with good hands
Post by ISF that's helping me think more about less techincal aspects of bet sizing.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-61090.htm
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Originally Posted by gabe
Thats what I was doing before increasing my cbet sizes recently and it was working out decently. Here are a bunch of random c-bet hands, any comments would be good.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($50)
UTG ($64.85)
Hero ($77.70)
SB ($63.45)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25.
Flop: ($3.75) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.8, BB folds.
Final Pot: $3.75
Heres a hand where I think maybe I should have c-bet. You guys like a bet here oop?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
Button ($65.05)
Hero ($80.70)
BB ($159.75)
UTG ($65.25)
Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jd.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.25.
Flop: ($3.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7c.gif (2 players)
Final Pot: $3.75
Heres an example where I get minraised in a multiway pot after a big cbet.
Hand #47285445-20692 at Weippe (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 07/Nov/07 02:52:49
NateO77 is at seat 0 with $18.95.
BlueHibiscus is at seat 1 with $37.40.
skim da gnar is at seat 2 with $54.80.
23Buckeye is at seat 3 with $43.70.
slikkisback69 is at seat 4 with $122.55.
calvindo2 is at seat 5 with $112.90.
The button is at seat 2.
23Buckeye posts the small blind of $.25.
slikkisback69 posts the big blind of $.50.
NateO77: -- --
BlueHibiscus: -- --
skim da gnar: Td Kh
23Buckeye: -- --
slikkisback69: -- --
calvindo2: -- --
Pre-flop:
calvindo2 folds. NateO77 folds. BlueHibiscus calls.
skim da gnar raises to $2.25. 23Buckeye folds.
slikkisback69 calls. BlueHibiscus calls.
Flop (board: 9c 6h Ad):
slikkisback69 checks. BlueHibiscus checks. skim da
gnar bets $4.90. slikkisback69 raises to $9.80.
BlueHibiscus folds. skim da gnar folds.
slikkisback69 is returned $4.90 (uncalled).
Hand #47285445-20692 Summary:
$.80 is raked from a pot of $16.80.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
slikkisback69 wins $15.50.
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If villain was a thinking player this hand could very well be a check behind since it doesn't hit my raising range that hard. Agree?
Hand #47285457-17201 at Wendell (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 06/Nov/07 15:10:41
TiltTilt is at seat 0 with $76.65.
Takman is at seat 2 with $96.15.
All_inA is at seat 3 with $50.
vvega2001 is at seat 4 with $35.45.
skim da gnar is at seat 5 with $48.25.
The button is at seat 4.
skim da gnar posts the small blind of $.25.
TiltTilt posts the big blind of $.50.
TiltTilt: -- --
Takman: -- --
All_inA: -- --
vvega2001: -- --
skim da gnar: 2s As
Pre-flop:
Takman folds. All_inA folds. vvega2001 folds.
skim da gnar raises to $1.75. TiltTilt calls.
Flop (board: 5d 9s 8s):
skim da gnar bets $3. TiltTilt folds. skim da gnar
is returned $3 (uncalled).
Hand #47285457-17201 Summary:
$.15 is raked from a pot of $3.50.
No jackpot-rake is taken from this hand.
skim da gnar wins $3.35.
Good c-bet size here? The fact he pushes is irellevent.
Hand #47285442-16878 at Triumph (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 04/Nov/07 21:02:39
c_jenn_go is at seat 0 with $34.90.
I Ruin Lives is at seat 1 with $49.45.
nopaint is at seat 2 with $42.45.
texhostud is at seat 3 with $50.75 (sitting out).
skim da gnar is at seat 4 with $74.05.
handbanana21 is at seat 5 with $49.95.
The button is at seat 4.
handbanana21 posts the small blind of $.25.
c_jenn_go posts the big blind of $.50.
c_jenn_go: -- --
I Ruin Lives: -- --
nopaint: -- --
skim da gnar: Jc Js
handbanana21: -- --
Pre-flop:
I Ruin Lives folds. nopaint calls. skim da gnar
raises to $2.25. handbanana21 folds. c_jenn_go
folds. nopaint calls.
Flop (board: 4d 3d 5d):
nopaint checks. skim da gnar bets $4. nopaint goes
all-in for $40.20. skim da gnar folds. nopaint is
returned $36.20 (uncalled).
Hand #47285442-16878 Summary:
$.65 is raked from a pot of $13.25.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
nopaint wins $12.10.
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