This is where i am lost...
You're in a 600NL 6-max game on stars, on your left is Sauce123, an aggressive and sometimes tricky, mid stakes NL player. You are a good and aggressive but not as tricky as sauce. He views you as solid.
Folds to you on the button, you raise with XX, sb folds and Sauce123 (who is playing out of the blinds a good amount) calls.
The flop is 994 rainbow. sauce checks to you, you cont bet, he c/r 3x.
I really really really just don't get this spot at all. With a straightforward abc tagg it's easy: this is usually a 9, 44, or utter air, and i can play accordingly. But with good aggro players, or just aggro players in general this becomes harder because this isn't a 9 enough to safely fold medium strength hands.
so, questions:
- what range of hands do you put him on?
- what hands do you continue with and what's your plan?
- how does this change if i'm on the CO and he's on the button (he has position)
- how does it change if the board is QQ5?
- how does it change if the board is 339?
- how does it change if the board is two tone?
Ok too many questions, feel free to just say anything you want on this matter.
Re: This is where i am lost...
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Originally Posted by Massimo
You're in a 600NL 6-max game on stars, on your left is Sauce123, an aggressive and sometimes tricky, mid stakes NL player. You are a good and aggressive but not as tricky as sauce. He views you as solid.
Folds to you on the button, you raise with XX, sb folds and Sauce123 (who is playing out of the blinds a good amount) calls.
The flop is 994 rainbow. sauce checks to you, you cont bet, he c/r 3x.
I really really really just don't get this spot at all. With a straightforward abc tagg it's easy: this is usually a 9, 44, or utter air, and i can play accordingly. But with good aggro players, or just aggro players in general this becomes harder because this isn't a 9 enough to safely fold medium strength hands.
so, questions:
- what range of hands do you put him on?
- what hands do you continue with and what's your plan?
- how does this change if i'm on the CO and he's on the button (he has position)
- how does it change if the board is QQ5?
- how does it change if the board is 339?
- how does it change if the board is two tone?
Ok too many questions, feel free to just say anything you want on this matter.
Max- I think ur mistake here is getting lost when ranges widen considerably. I'll tell you how I view this hand from my perspective (and my thinking here starts preflop).
When you raise from the button and I know your solid- I'm going to be cold calling the BB at least some % of the time with a range like 22-AA, Axs, AJ+, 87s+ or so. I'm often going to be re raising the upper part of this range for sure.
I know for a fact ur range is also v wide in this spot 22+, 98o+, 43s+, 64s+, 85s+, Axs, A7o+, T8o+ or something like that. this is 33.3% of hands- and is definitely significantly tighter than what I'd open with in this spot.
On a flop like 994 rainbow you could potentially fold everything but 44, 99, A9, K9, Q9, J9, T9, 98, 9xs, 88+ to my checkraise. This is 12.1% of hands, NOT COUNTING the lesser combos of 9x and 44 which the board cards would produce, so let's say like 9% (someone math savvy tell me how accurate this is).
If you open 33.3% of hands, cbet with all of them, and fold to my checkraise with all but 9%, I've just crushed you, EVEN IF I never have the best hand on the flop and never improve to the best hand, which obviously isn't the case. I'll respond more later with some of my own thoughts on how we can apply this...
(also, understanding thinking like this is one of the keys to HU play- and is probably the single main reason you have struggled with it)
