Pot odds vs. a short stack

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10-28-2007, 12:14 PM
spoonitnow

Pot odds vs. a short stack

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($17)
SB ($24.05)
BB ($16.90)
UTG ($185)
UTG+1 ($220.60)
MP1 ($90.70)
MP2 ($60.45)
MP3 ($55.60)
Hero ($100)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
UTG calls $1, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, BB raises to $16.9, UTG folds, Hero calls $11.90.

Flop: ($35.30) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)

Turn: ($35.30) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)

River: ($35.30) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $35.30

Yeah I'm bored.

I'm calling $11.90 to win $23.40. To break even on the call I need to win 11.90/35.30 ~ 33% of the time. We have 31.2% equity against QQ+, AQ+ (the range that we're most worried about because it dominates us). If we throw in JJ or something we actually have a coinflip against, we're easily above our 33% requirement.

The point is that if we know we're okay to call against a range that's mostly hands that dominate us, we know we're okay to call against a bigger, more realistic range.

Questions?
10-29-2007, 12:11 AM
daven

Re: Pot odds vs. a short stack

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Questions?

1) how bored are you?
2) call this same bet if both you and villain have 100bb behind? Reverse implied odds and do you get owned if flop is Axx?
3) I should look at more stats for some hand vs hand stuff - AQo really 1/3 against AQ+/QQ+?
10-29-2007, 12:20 AM
bigspenda73

easy call, your range for him sucks
10-29-2007, 09:19 AM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

easy call, your range for him sucks

Then you're missing the point by far.
10-29-2007, 09:21 AM
spoonitnow

Re: Pot odds vs. a short stack

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Questions?

1) how bored are you?
2) call this same bet if both you and villain have 100bb behind? Reverse implied odds and do you get owned if flop is Axx?
3) I should look at more stats for some hand vs hand stuff - AQo really 1/3 against AQ+/QQ+?

1. Pretty damn bored.
2. No. Reverse implied odds and what the flop will be has nothing to do with preflop calls for all of your stack.
3. Download Poker Stove and have at it.
10-29-2007, 09:30 AM
Chopper

shortys like this push so much trash, maths or not, you have to be ahead of HIS range by a good bit.

if he's a normal (bad) shorty, he is pushing any A here and any pp, a lot of K-crap, and two broadways.

you should be killing that range. it may be a bit wide, but with super shortys, they push all sorts of stuff they shouldnt.

its more a player/bad player call than a math call, imo.
10-29-2007, 09:36 AM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

shortys like this push so much trash, maths or not, you have to be ahead of HIS range by a good bit.

if he's a normal (bad) shorty, he is pushing any A here and any pp, a lot of K-crap, and two broadways.

you should be killing that range. it may be a bit wide, but with super shortys, they push all sorts of stuff they shouldnt.

its more a player/bad player call than a math call, imo.

You're closer to the point that I used a little math to illustrate, but I'll go ahead and spell it out.

In a perfect world for villain, he would only have hands that dominate us. If we briefly look at what happens inside of this perfect scenario for villain, we see that even then we're almost justified to call, so you can call without going any further in your thinking.

You can use a similar thought process when short-stacking yourself to find out what the flat-bottom range is that you can always push with and be +EV regardless of your opponents' ranges.