Some EV graphs

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10-25-2007, 04:11 PM
phantom_lord

Some EV graphs

I took a break from pokers because I was playing like a moron, just back a couple of days, and I decided to take a look at my new database using that ev program. Previously I found I was a big loser in pots that didn’t go to showdown and it’s something I’m working on.

Anyway, I noticed there was an option to filter the hands, and played around with the that for a while and found the resulting graphs somewhat interesting…

My last 3days at 100nl, a bit meh:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...ker/normal.jpg

High Card:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...r/highcard.jpg

1 pair
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...poker/pair.jpg

2pair
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...oker/2pair.jpg

better than high card
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...hingwohigh.jpg

pots greater than 30bbs
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...aterthan30.jpg

Smaller than 30bbs
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...lessthan30.jpg

Smaller than 20bbs
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...lessthan20.jpg

Plus these are my stats:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...ker/stats2.jpg

Just wondering what these graphs are like for other people? Although it's a small sample I clearly suck at pots <30bbs.

Is there anything glaring wrong with my stats? or any general advice to help? looks like a pretty big leak I've to plug.
10-25-2007, 04:41 PM
Irisheyes

I don't understand how this can calculate sklansky bux in non shoudown pots?
10-25-2007, 04:52 PM
Miffed22001

is there no master sticky for this thing?

looks like you run bad or play bad small ball.
10-25-2007, 05:00 PM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

is there no master sticky for this thing?

looks like you run bad or play bad small ball.

He's not running bad unless he is getting coolered a lot. Blue line is above red line...
10-25-2007, 05:05 PM
phantom_lord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

I don't understand how this can calculate sklansky bux in non shoudown pots?

it doesn't. the red is the sklanky bucks in pots that go to showndown, blue is actual winnings on those pots, and green is all pots.
10-25-2007, 05:09 PM
Irisheyes

So like if you raise and cbet a flop and get called then check it down to showdown, at what point of the hand is your sklansky bux calculated? The preflop bet and flop bet?

So from the graphs it looks like you suck at cbetting right?
10-25-2007, 05:37 PM
phantom_lord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

So like if you raise and cbet a flop and get called then check it down to showdown, at what point of the hand is your sklansky bux calculated? The preflop bet and flop bet?

So from the graphs it looks like you suck at cbetting right?

It's calculated street by street for every bet.

i dunno. possibly.
10-25-2007, 06:55 PM
phantom_lord

photobucket keeps logging me out everytime i try to upload pic :?:

anyway:

Hands i raised pf

http://thumbnails.imajr.com/raisepf_373652.jpg

Raise pf+bet flop

http://thumbnails.imajr.com/raisecb_373653.jpg

Raise pf+bet flop pot<30bbs

http://thumbnails.imajr.com/raisepfcbless30_373699.jpg
10-26-2007, 06:10 AM
Irisheyes

I dunno I don't get it.
10-26-2007, 06:49 AM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

I dunno I don't get it.

Total winnings are for all the hands, Sklansky bucks and showdown winnings are for hands that went to showdown. Op is either spewing on hands that don't go to showdown or getting coolered a lot.

That said, most tags seem to have the green line below the other lines because they often fold the best hand.
10-26-2007, 07:50 AM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

I dunno I don't get it.

Total winnings are for all the hands, Sklansky bucks and showdown winnings are for hands that went to showdown. Op is either spewing on hands that don't go to showdown or getting coolered a lot.

That said, most tags seem to have the green line below the other lines because they often fold the best hand.

if the green is much lower than the other two does this mean TAGGy players are being bought off too many pots?

My latest graphs show the green line much closer to the other two with are pretty close anyhow?

is there a thread somewhere explaining how to use because the one on 2+2 gave me nothing
10-26-2007, 02:36 PM
badgers

Yeah most of what I'm saying is just stuff I've picked up from browsing and worked out, I haven't seen any explanation threads anywhere.

If the green line is below the others, you are losing a lot of pots that have not gone to showdown, be that through cbets getting raised, bet flop/turn/ river whatever and getting raised/ bet on later streets. I think it's pretty normal to have the green line below the others if you have a high win at showdown % because you will make most of your money in pots that go to showdown.

I guess if your green line is closer you could be being less aggro when you don't have a hand ie. lower cbet % etc, or you are running goot, or your win showdown % is going down.

I don't think I've ever seen a good player say that they have a lot of belief that you can get good analysis of your game from these graphs though. Maybe if you couple the graphs with PT stats you can get something, but I think the main use is to see how well you're running and it's debatable that it even shows that...
10-26-2007, 03:07 PM
Chopper

post this in beginner forum, and freak them out.

seriously, try NL Strategies.
10-26-2007, 05:23 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Yeah most of what I'm saying is just stuff I've picked up from browsing and worked out, I haven't seen any explanation threads anywhere.

If the green line is below the others, you are losing a lot of pots that have not gone to showdown, be that through cbets getting raised, bet flop/turn/ river whatever and getting raised/ bet on later streets. I think it's pretty normal to have the green line below the others if you have a high win at showdown % because you will make most of your money in pots that go to showdown.

I guess if your green line is closer you could be being less aggro when you don't have a hand ie. lower cbet % etc, or you are running goot, or your win showdown % is going down.

I don't think I've ever seen a good player say that they have a lot of belief that you can get good analysis of your game from these graphs though. Maybe if you couple the graphs with PT stats you can get something, but I think the main use is to see how well you're running and it's debatable that it even shows that...

makes sense, while i played bad on the sample i had in the grapher, i also knew id run bad and was losing lots at showdown to suckouts etc ad all draws hitting, even with equity adjusted i was -2bbs/100 so i knew i was making errors.
So much different now that the showdown line is closer and positive to the red/blue but still what i term a significant amount down.
Meh at least i have a rough idea now!