Too tough to fold?

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10-04-2007, 11:10 AM
ton321

Too tough to fold?

POKERSTARS GAME #12414873931: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/10/03 - 13:24:56 (ET)
Table 'Euryalos V' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Ton321 ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 2: antechryst ($6 in chips)
Seat 3: Reach-4-Them ($11.65 in chips)
Seat 4: JohnTris84 ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: jan_teh_gun ($1.60 in chips)
Seat 6: deta231 ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 7: john22r ($8.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Snorpy ($10.65 in chips)
Seat 9: skinshokies ($13.25 in chips)
JohnTris84: posts small blind $0.05
jan_teh_gun: posts big blind $0.10
antechryst: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ton321 [Kd Ad]
deta231: folds
john22r: folds
Snorpy: folds
skinshokies: folds
Ton321: raises $0.30 to $0.40
antechryst: calls $0.30
Reach-4-Them: folds
JohnTris84: folds
jan_teh_gun: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9d 8c]
jan_teh_gun: bets $0.10
Ton321: raises $0.20 to $0.30
antechryst: calls $0.30
jan_teh_gun: calls $0.20
*** TURN *** [Ah 9d 8c] [5s]
jan_teh_gun: checks
Ton321: bets $2
How do you know villanin isnt bluffing here? Or has something like aq, aj or a dominated ace?
antechryst: raises $3.30 to $5.30 and is all-in
jan_teh_gun: folds
Ton321: calls $3 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9d 8c 5s] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ton321: shows [Kd Ad] (a pair of Aces)
antechryst: shows [5c Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
antechryst collected $11.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.15 | Rake $0.60
Board [Ah 9d 8c 5s 3d]
Seat 1: Ton321 showed [Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: antechryst showed [5c Ac] and won ($11.55) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 3: Reach-4-Them (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JohnTris84 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: jan_teh_gun (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: deta231 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: john22r folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Snorpy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: skinshokies folded before Flop (didn't bet)
10-04-2007, 11:50 AM
cardsman1992

Gotta raise flop more....raise to pot. Make it $1.30.

You might be able to get away from the turn because that card completed a draw, but I don't think I do at $10. Had you raised on flop more, though, he wouldn't have had odds to chase his two pair (or a draw if you put him on that).
10-04-2007, 12:15 PM
martindcx1e

raise flop more. i'd probably bet a bit less on the turn and fold to the all-in.
10-04-2007, 01:08 PM
Deanglow

Raise the flop a lot more. On the turn I call the allin because this could be any ace. Also, in order to get non-biased responses to your hand, do not post the results.
10-04-2007, 03:20 PM
martindcx1e

oh lol i didn't even notice the results were posted. anyways, in my experience naked aces don't play this way this deep.
10-04-2007, 04:50 PM
Miffed22001

Raise to about pot size on flop. if he calls a pot raise with a worse hand he has 2 outs. Gotta love how much hes going to win there long term baby!
10-04-2007, 11:55 PM
daven

Re: Too tough to fold?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ton321

Dealt to Ton321 [Kd Ad]
Ton321: raises $0.30 to $0.40
antechryst: calls $0.30
jan_teh_gun: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9d 8c]
jan_teh_gun: bets $0.10
Ton321: raises $0.20 to $0.30

pre-flop good.
Flop, with that min-raise you deserve to get stacked. The reason is that it is meaningless in relation to the amount that is already in the pot - you need to be betting at least 1/2 pot here - i like raising to around $1.15.

As for playing with 50bb, um, ok, but it's better to have at least 75 or to drop a level.
10-12-2007, 11:29 AM
ton321

thanks for the replies everyone.
10-12-2007, 12:13 PM
pgil

Re: Too tough to fold?

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

As for playing with 50bb, um, ok, but it's better to have at least 75 or to drop a level.

I would prefer to have 50 or 100 rather than 75 personally. At 75 you aren't deep enough to take full advantage of most of the implied odds plays that you can make at 100BB, and you aren't short enough to felt a good but not great hand as profitably.

I have been 1/2 stacking 50 NL lately with good results (stupid party poker giving me free money to play with but making it virtually impossible to clear). Players at smaller stakes will not make the necessary (or proper) adjustments to your stack size at 50BB, while they won't really need to adjust much at all at 75BB.