Miffs Quit thread

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09-26-2007, 09:52 AM
Miffed22001

Miffs Quit thread

Im seriously now considering quitting poker because i obviously cant beat 1/2NL. Im now stuck for probably 40buyins and cannot run good.

Im posting all my stats below so someone can try and make sense for me. Anyone who fancies a coaching role can PM me, as i might take it up but im just going to take a break because it seems obvious that i am not going to be able to beat this game of people making such bad poker plays.

My graph for the last 3 months (doesnt include my initial 10by in drop that i lost when changing computers)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6...salogu2.th.jpg

My poker ev grpah, yes the last bit was my first serious tilt for a VERY long time. Normally i dont have any trouble with it (plus i got KK vs AA 3 times which didnt help)

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8...saloeg0.th.jpg

ev graph is only for party/UB and I-poker where i have run like shit on all 3.

Perhaps the most telling stats.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5...06giha3.th.jpg

Id like some advice other than lol you won 67k, otherwise im going back to 25nl on stars to figure out if i can actually beat the game.
09-26-2007, 09:58 AM
bigspenda73

your W$WSF is very low, I cant hate on the disparity between VPIP/PFR cuz Coco-Bill does that but youre most definitely not as good of a hand reader and valuebetter as he is then.

You're not positionally aware

I think you're way too tight in position and too loose OOP.
09-26-2007, 10:26 AM
biondino

OMG what the hell do you do in the blinds?

You are folding too often post-flop - considering you're only playing 19% of hands you should be winning at least 40% WSF. Are you too weak tight, and playing against aggressive players savvy enough to pick you up on that?

If you don't mind me saying, I suspect you have a leaking game which is now ingrained after hundreds of thousands of hands, and if you seriously want to keep playing you're going to need to drop down and literally take it to pieces, studying each element of the game step by step until the big holes are patched.
09-26-2007, 10:33 AM
|~|ypermegachi

basically what others already said...
- you're not positionally aware (this one is huge)
- you're sucking in the blinds
- you have tilt issues (omgwtf how did you lose so much in the end???)
- you are playing a VERY high variance style (as seen in your graph)

post more screens, like the more details in the general tab.
09-26-2007, 11:00 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

I think you can be helped.
09-26-2007, 11:21 AM
Miffed22001

I personally think ive gotten stuick bewteen my 30/20 game and a nitty 18/125 game i can play and now ive completely forgotten the simple things.

My positional stats scrae me to death only because i cant find how i am not 12/12 UTG.
09-26-2007, 11:31 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

Just remember, Chardrian almost quit, then he had a huge pay day.
09-26-2007, 11:44 AM
WildBobAA

Yeah so play the WCOOP main event
09-26-2007, 11:47 AM
|~|ypermegachi

miff, as crazy as it sounds, go back to basics and go with a starting hands chart. i don't think you need to drop down in stakes, but changing what types of hands you start playing with in different positions will change the situations you get yourself into postflop.
09-26-2007, 12:46 PM
Silly String

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

You're not positionally aware

I think you're way too tight in position and too loose OOP.

This cannot be re-enforced enough. I would drop one level and begin working on your game instead of playing on cruise control.
09-26-2007, 12:57 PM
griffey24

how is your vpip 17 UTG?! what hands are you playing from UTG? that seems pretty loose to me.

By the same token, if you are going to be playing 17 VPIP UTG then your PFR UTG should be 17 as well. Don't open limp! Maybe at lower stakes you can open limp, but I think at 200NL people will own you for that.

I think you need to look closer at your blind play. Are you flat calling in the blinds against LP/button openers? You might consider 3-betting more out of the blinds with 77+,AJ+ against players opening on the button. Take control of the hand!
09-26-2007, 01:10 PM
Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

post more screens, like the more details in the general tab.
09-26-2007, 02:36 PM
Galapogos

Yeah definately not positionally aware. Something I've also noticed about you is you're not opponent aware, at least from a lot of the hands I've seen that you've posted. I'll elaborate later when I have time.
09-26-2007, 02:43 PM
IowaSkinsFan

you lost 10 buy ins with one large tilt session. 10 bi's is not that bad, so this shouldn't be that discouraging.

Obviously you can be helped just keep trying to improve and read the long rant posts on this forum.
09-26-2007, 03:13 PM
jyms

Wow, I never got the chance to ask since everyone did. What hands are you playng UTG and what hands are you limping UTG? Stop playing preflop with hands your folding postflop. These stats are reminiscent of a first year player just breaking out of micro stakes. Here is one example, AJo, never play AJo out of position, ever. ATs, never play ATs UTG until you can really play poker from that position.Until you get some help with this don't play anything not AQ+,PP UTG, and never limp.

More details tab please.
09-26-2007, 03:15 PM
Warpe

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Originally Posted by Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

post more screens, like the more details in the general tab.

also, get better at hand reading and start using a HUD to do it
09-26-2007, 04:13 PM
snowbird4life

Id recommend taking a break from all things poker. Take at least a two week break and do nothing poker related. Come back determined and motivated to do well. Move down a level and grind away. Reevaluate your play and take other's recommendations and continue to post confusing hands.
09-26-2007, 06:42 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

I think you can be helped.
09-26-2007, 07:01 PM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Yeah definately not positionally aware. Something I've also noticed about you is you're not opponent aware, at least from a lot of the hands I've seen that you've posted. I'll elaborate later when I have time.

Not really much to elaborate on really, but what I noticed when you were playing on Pokerroom is you weren't playing idealy against the particular villain you were in the hand with. This is just by going off your hand histories you posted, but I recognized lot of the names you were up against and had you been paying attention to them I really don't think you would have made some of the plays you chose.

I suspect maybe you depend to much on your HUD and automated plays which is fine against boring tagfish, but when you're up against erratic gambling players you have to have a better handle on how they play their post-flop game.

This is just an example, but I get the feeling you could be up against a shitty loose preflop player who's a station post flop, and if he raises your c-bet you'll willingly stack off with TPTK against him, even though he hasn't reraised yet post-flop.

I don't know if that example makes sense, and if it does, I could be totally off because it's only based on a few HHs, but that's what I get from you.
09-26-2007, 11:17 PM
djzcko

Miffed...I agree with what has been said before, esp the comments about being positionally aware. You raise too much UTG and are spewing chips...certainly something is very wrong with your blind play as well. I lose .09 BB's per hand in the SB and .11 per hand in the BB. You are at .32/.50 which is crazy (yes, I play SH also). One other thing I wanted to mention is that villains are getting more sohpisticated so you must adapt. If you don't play a solid, adaptable (meaning diff play against diff villains) you will probably be marginally profitable at best. You are my BBJ hero so you can't quit... :-)
09-27-2007, 02:40 AM
benny999

ur a good player...wtf?? i remember you posting about crushing the games a while back, obviously that skill doesn't just vanish. the other posts are prob right too...but maybe you need to take a break. i dont think quit, just some time to forget about this and play solidly again. a coach can also help - i recommend that from personal experience.
09-27-2007, 03:57 PM
Miffed22001

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Originally Posted by benny999

ur a good player...wtf?? i remember you posting about crushing the games a while back, obviously that skill doesn't just vanish. the other posts are prob right too...but maybe you need to take a break. i dont think quit, just some time to forget about this and play solidly again. a coach can also help - i recommend that from personal experience.

It vanishes when you get too cocky and can think youy can beat everything which is what happened over the summer when i made my first move to 200nl all the way to 3/6nl and then promptly down again.

Its actually taken me the time to post all this and realise ive never really looked at my stats to see wtf am i doing.
But then this thread was designed to be a wake up call to myself.

for those who are interested, i have no idea what my 17% UTG is but it just stopped. Im having the week and will be back grinidn next week, obviously with a hand chart right next to my screen and playing nitty. Obviously i forgot you cant raise every hand and win every pot which is what ive been trying to do now that i look back and think about it.

I ran bad sure, but then i played bad, until now i couldnt actually see that i was bad (or was playing that way) at least now i have realised what i am doing and what i need to be doing.
Hopefuly, my next 50k hand post will be lol look at my bbs/100 for 1/2
09-27-2007, 04:19 PM
|~|ypermegachi

this is probably a good opportunity for you to try using the sauce123 strat since you're essentially "relearning" the game...sorta...and the sauce guide is VERY position aware.
09-27-2007, 05:33 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

this is probably a good opportunity for you to try using the sauce123 strat since you're essentially "relearning" the game...sorta...and the sauce guide is VERY position aware.

guess what i already did....

its a little difficultto adjust however as most regs in the games i play are 30/5 muppets but im going for it anyway...

it was my first thought on looking at my lolstataments.
09-27-2007, 06:18 PM
Trikflow77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

this is probably a good opportunity for you to try using the sauce123 strat since you're essentially "relearning" the game...sorta...and the sauce guide is VERY position aware.

guess what i already did....

its a little difficultto adjust however as most regs in the games i play are 30/5 muppets but im going for it anyway...

it was my first thought on looking at my lolstataments.

umm if they are then 3 betting light (sauces guide) wouldnt be the best way to go about beating that game. His guide was ideally for the multi tabler robots that infest the stars/tilt games.
09-30-2007, 06:53 PM
BankItDrew

Sorry about the bad run Miffed. I've never been in this forum because I don't play short handed, but you asked me to check it out, so I did.

Again, no 6-max experience, but it's pretty obvious where some of the problems are. All of which I could find have been mentioned already. Looks like you should get back to the basics and follow what snowbird4life said... 100%.

I had a horrible run for a month and a half a very short time ago. I took a couple weeks off, and got my head back to where it was when I FIRST wanted to grind and pwn low stakes NL online.

Weather the storm, you'll be glad you did.