four hands -- straightforward, or?

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09-19-2007, 09:42 PM
mixchange

four hands -- straightforward, or?

Hand 1
2nd nuts. Only option is to push right? We don't want combo draws to see river, and we want value from 2p or a set.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from [/b]FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($66.20)
Hero ($113.95)
Button ($46)
SB ($119.80)
BB ($94.10)
UTG ($105.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($10) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($10) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets $5, MP folds, Hero raises to $15, SB raises to $40, Hero ???

Push or fold here... seems like I'm up against AJ, combo draw, Or 2p.

Hand 2: I've tangled with villain a bunch, been 3 betting light. Never seen him show this much aggression, and he's seen me call some light stuff PF before. the open shove makes me feel like it might be AK or AQ trying to push out mid/high pp

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($441.55)
Hero ($202.45)
UTG ($283.85)
MP ($200)
Button ($117.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif.
3 folds, SB raises to $11, Hero raises to $30, SB raises to $442.55, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $60

Hand 3:

Should we be very afraid here? I do raise a lot for steals, and re-raise a lot of flops.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($203.35)
Button ($956.55)
Hero ($203.70)
BB ($207)
UTG ($199)

Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ac.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qc.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($12) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB raises to $26, Hero raises to $76, BB raises to $201, Hero calls $121.70 (All-In).

Turn: ($407.40) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9c.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($407.40) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2h.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $407.40

Hand 4:
This is PiratePeaty (fun to play vs. but I only play him when I have position). He'll spew a lot, or push you out of lots of pots. If you don't know him, very loose aggressive player. Sometimes he makes moves that you'd be shocked about, but then its great for meta game when he shows down crazily played hands

anyway, I'm wondering what he had to play it like this...with any other player you're assuming he is calling with that much money in the pot already...I thought he would too, then wondered what he might have that he'd fold there? defnitely not AK, i think he calls for that much $. Maybe JJ?

anyone like a minraise 4bet instead of the push?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($303.20)
Hero ($176.15)
SB ($75.35)
BB ($202)
UTG ($194)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/as.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, MP raises to $68, Hero raises to $176.15, MP folds.

Final Pot: $139
09-19-2007, 10:29 PM
|~|ypermegachi

hand 1: i go broke. easily 2pair or set.
hand 2: i fold too...i think it's highly unlikely they're doing this with TT-
hand 3: standard.
hand 4: if he knows you're 3betting lite he could do this with a wide range and you can't reraise with less than QQ+/AK+
09-20-2007, 05:03 AM
snowbird4life

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

hand 1: i go broke. easily 2pair or set.
hand 2: i fold too...i think it's highly unlikely they're doing this with TT-
hand 3: standard.
hand 4: if he knows you're 3betting lite he could do this with a wide range and you can't reraise with less than QQ+/AK+
09-20-2007, 06:02 AM
jimmy44

Hand 2: How can we fold in a SB vs BB battle with JJ and someone 4bet-pushing? What would be his range here to 4bet push?
AK/AQ, maybe QQ, KK and lower pairs?
I think we're ahead of his range. The fact that has seen us 3bet light is also a factor to call, no?
09-20-2007, 07:34 AM
benny999

i was gonna say that too. sometimes you can read someone for a light-ish 4bet, like you think they're frustrated about getting 3bet, and then they insta-4bet (often Ak/AQ/etc)...or you've seen them auto shove 77 type stuff to your 3bet...just go with your read even if it means going all in with 33 or something. that said my default (ie not a solid read) is to fold the JJ.

in #4, either he made a bad fold since he has odds with any 2 vs QQ/AK, or he thinks you would only 3bet/push with high pairs.
09-20-2007, 09:00 AM
bigspenda73

Hand 2 is a call, embrace the variance.
09-20-2007, 10:05 AM
|~|ypermegachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Hand 2 is a call, embrace the variance.

i think i would fold even knowing i'd be a 60% favourite. why did i quit playing SnGs again?
09-20-2007, 10:51 AM
Muzzard

Hand 4

Quote:

anyone like a minraise 4bet instead of the push?

It's actually a 5-bet

Why not just call the 4-bet and let him see a flop, he knows you have a wide 3-bet range so might just be playing back or he may have a legitimate hand. I'm looking to get it all on all flops with this kind of play.

With the 5-bet push he can get away from QQ/JJ AK/AQ here because your 5-bet range is probably only AA and KK and he's dead to that range even with the odds
09-20-2007, 11:49 AM
Silly String

Hand #2: When you're right you are racing. When you're wrong, you are dominated. Formula for a fold.
09-21-2007, 07:53 PM
mixchange

I totally agree with silly string on Hand #2:

Quote:

When you're right you are racing. When you're wrong, you are dominated. Formula for a fold.

How are we making this call, unless we know villain is excessively aggressive/bluffy?

Hand 1 I pushed and it turned out to be AJ and I lost. I had a strong feeling he had AJ, but I didn't think I could fold as overall i'm usually ahead. I was curious as to whether peolpe thought I would get any calls from a wide enough range to make it EV+. Seems that 2p has to fold, so really only sets and other straights can call. I wonder if the push was really correct, value wise.

Hand 4 I hate flat calling hes really only getting all the money in if he hits a set or yahtzee. seems EV - for me -- no extra money and potential stackage.
09-21-2007, 08:18 PM
benny999

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I totally agree with silly string on Hand #2:

Quote:

When you're right you are racing. When you're wrong, you are dominated. Formula for a fold.

How are we making this call, unless we know villain is excessively aggressive/bluffy?

this is true in standard spots, but when u start 3betting lots, decent players start 4betting more, including hands like Axs, mid pocket pairs, etc.

even in the worst case, vs QQ+/AK, you are 33% to win.
09-22-2007, 03:45 AM
Deanglow

Hand 1 fold pre-flop against a 2/3 stack. Get it allin on the turn so he has to call if he has a combo draw.

Hand 2 I call. It's SB vs BB he could have a lot of hands here

Hand 3 NH

Hand 4 nothing to say except remember to reload fully once you drop a bit (I understand if you just lot a pot and weren't quick enough)
09-22-2007, 09:09 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by benny999

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I totally agree with silly string on Hand #2:

Quote:

When you're right you are racing. When you're wrong, you are dominated. Formula for a fold.

How are we making this call, unless we know villain is excessively aggressive/bluffy?

this is true in standard spots, but when u start 3betting lots, decent players start 4betting more, including hands like Axs, mid pocket pairs, etc.

even in the worst case, vs QQ+/AK, you are 33% to win.

yea, seriously, wtf, it's bvb and we have the 4th best hand in poker
09-22-2007, 09:25 AM
mixchange

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by benny999

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I totally agree with silly string on Hand #2:

Quote:

When you're right you are racing. When you're wrong, you are dominated. Formula for a fold.

How are we making this call, unless we know villain is excessively aggressive/bluffy?

this is true in standard spots, but when u start 3betting lots, decent players start 4betting more, including hands like Axs, mid pocket pairs, etc.

even in the worst case, vs QQ+/AK, you are 33% to win.

yea, seriously, wtf, it's bvb and we have the 4th best hand in poker

surely we're smarter than to call based on 'having the 4th best possible hand' ?
09-22-2007, 09:33 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by benny999

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I totally agree with silly string on Hand #2:

Quote:

When you're right you are racing. When you're wrong, you are dominated. Formula for a fold.

How are we making this call, unless we know villain is excessively aggressive/bluffy?

this is true in standard spots, but when u start 3betting lots, decent players start 4betting more, including hands like Axs, mid pocket pairs, etc.

even in the worst case, vs QQ+/AK, you are 33% to win.

yea, seriously, wtf, it's bvb and we have the 4th best hand in poker

surely we're smarter than to call based on 'having the 4th best possible hand' ?

We don't need to be here, sometimes I think people forget how strong their hand is.