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I play some very loose micro NL games and in those games there are often up to 5 limpers for the flop.
what odds do I need...
to play two randon suited (not connected) cards PF?
to play two random connected (not suited) cards PF?
to play suited connectors?
to play any two random cards (not connected or suited)
I know you might not be able to give exact odds w/out knowing the exact cards but if you can give me a range it would be great.
Thxs in advance
It depends on your position, also are you playing FR or SH?
Personally, I would never limp "any two suited" unless they had some kind of connecting potential or at the very least a A, Q or K. I do tend to limp offsuit connectors on the button or maybe CO in FR with lots of limpers though
Really, the odds arent as important as your position and ability post flop. I'm fairly confident I could limp every hand in LP at super-micro stakes and still turn a profit just because of super-poor post flop play from most of the other players.
I understand your question, but unless you are fairly solid post-flop and know how to fold draws-top pairs-weak two pairs then you'll end up getting into a lot of trouble playing any two cards. For these tables I recommend playing super tight in early position, tight in the middle and loosening up to play those suited connectors etc only from cut-off and the button, and only for monster hand potential. My $0.02.
I think you are trying to get us to okay the chances you are willing to take. To be a winner you usually need to play less not more hands. Forget about trying to play junk and only play premium starting hands.
I totaly understand the importance of nopt playing junk. BUT, what if your in late position w/ suited connectors and there are 5 limpers before you? Still fold? That just dont seem right.
Calling with suited connectors is very different to "any two suited" or un-suited connectors - basically your chances of catching a draw board are doubled (that may not be 100% accurate but you get the idea).
Treat the following with a pinch of salt because I only play NL MTTs not cash games:
Against thinking opponents I will sometimes raise suited connectors from the button to disguise my hand and possibly get me a free turn card, but if you have 5 limpers the chances are your opps are not thinking players and its best to just see a cheap flop here.
As a guideline, I tend to limp suited connectors (56s and above) in late position with 3+ limpers, this is just my personal preference and not gospel, others may prefer more limpers.
***** Most important point in my opinion*****
Another point is that you 100% must only play these hands from late position, dont limp 78s UTG because you "know" the rest of the table will simply limp in behind you, playing a drawy hand out of position postflop absolutely sucks and IMO will lose you alot of money in the long run.