Flopped 3rd nuts, facing AI

UTG is a bad maniac (like 50/20-ish), UTG+1 has standard tagg stats, no history, no specific reads.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $2/$4 - 6 players - Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $736
UTG+1: $398
CO: $768
Hero: $400
SB: $408
BB: $390

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 7 :diamond: 6 :diamond:
UTG raises to $12, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: T :spade: 8 :diamond: 9 :heart: ($50, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $16, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $90, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 raises all-in $386, Hero...

Man this sux. If I'm you am going to tilt after I see the results either way.
I call. 2:1 on your money before UTGs decision and you could be up against TP+Draw, set, lots of 2 pair combos. I am not surprised to see UTG+1 flip up JQ though. He played it like you might play the nuts on a dry board, so I wouldn't fault you for a fold. Heads up I instacall, but 3 ways makes this tough.

well, really only QJ has you beat, but it's possible its a set. The hand is too strong to fold IMO considering only 1 realistic hand has you beat. besides, obviously we have runner runner outs

i doubt hes pushing the nuts like that, but i think a set might here

I can't see getting away from this unless we have a great read that UTG+1 is trapping with the nuts. Maniac UTG probably has a set or T9 here.

Remember people do stupid things in big pots.

yawn marginal i think calling is a little better than folding

Does someone with TAG stats usually call a raise in 2nd position with QJ or J7?
I don't think I'm folding this.

I'm trying to figure out what hand a decent player calls a tiny c-bet with on a drawy board, then pushes over a big raise. Is a tagg with a set or two pair really giving cheap cards to two players with this board?

These numbers look right? Color me surprised.

28,710 games 0.040 secs 717,750 games/sec

Board: Ts 9h 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.135% 32.09% 01.04% 9213 300.00 { 7d6d }
Hand 1: 66.865% 65.82% 01.04% 18897 300.00 { TT-88, QJs, T9s, 98s, QJo

I'm also surprised I'm that far behind that range. If I had put him on all those hands I would have insta-called (when in fact it's barely a call). But I'm wondering if a good player (and I don't have a read that this guy is one) ever plays 2 pair or a set like this. The flat call of a $16 bet is so weird with those hands...

Could UTG+1 be running a squeeze here with something like JJ?

He coldcalls the pfr, then cold calls a small bet on the flop but then you raise and UTG just cold-calls and he comes over the top to rep the nuts knowing you can only really call with one hand (and since UTG only called your raise rather than re-raised he can't have a really strong hand) and he still has outs if you call?

Of course UTG is also an issue still as even if you call here, he still has to act and has taken a really weird line.....it's all very strange.

I doubt UTG has air but most likely has something like AK/AQ (with AQ most likely for the overcards + gutshot) while QJs is a real possibility for UTG+1 I guess if he is also running stats on UTG and has him as a maniac.

I'd felt it here, but I have a hard time getting away from hands like this so YMMV :)