10/20- multiway considerations

UTG is reddog who i have 26/16 over like 90 hands and he seems relatively solid


button is like 40/30 over a similarly small sample and is a maniac but has some simple idea of how to play poker




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($2335)
Hero ($1980)
BB ($697)
UTG ($1990)
MP ($2198)
CO ($1410)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG raises to $70, 2 folds, Button calls $70, Hero calls $60, 1 fold.

Flop: ($230) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $160, UTG calls $160, Button raises to $480

Preflop is fine i guess but a little loose for my taste.

Flop i dunno what i would of done but besides lead id prob c/c flop.

As PLayed:

i put UTG on some type of overpair, more like TT-QQ but he could still have KK, AA too. I reckon he doesnt hole any type of draw etc but he aint raising bcoz of the equity draws have vs him (ie they could well just shove flop over his raise or will 100% call his raise anyway).

I put button on any draw or made hand but from what you said is he holds more draws in these situations.

ANyway its an easy fold after button raises since you equity sucks and i beleive UTG would fold too. Unless UTG also notices maniac he may call/shove maniac knowing he is flipping.

I shove so UTG folds out his whole range. I'm pretty sure you're ahead of BU range.

Actually now that I think of it im a little scared of UTG, BU is clearly a maniac and could cold call for the obvious squeeze. Although, he could probably have the same effect raising to 480 and he'd get a fair amount of shoves from BU.

I still shove though.

I'm looking at this and thinking if he will stack off with a draw, shove. Even if he has you beat, you have outs. I think UTG folds here most of the time.

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I shove so UTG folds out his whole range. I'm pretty sure you're ahead of BU range.

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That was my first thought but there's something that doesn't feel right about that.. Maybe it's that we're drawing really thin to either of their calling ranges.

His raise is to small on a draw heavy flop...
Its usually just a post flop squeeze, but hero is still usually forced to fold a majority of his hands because of unknown caller to consider as well.
At that level villian will have some outs as well to try this, maybe a flush draw. For me even though its unlikely villian has alot, I don't know if tpmk and a few outs are enough to shove, its close.
Actually, yeah, shove its great for your image!

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Originally Posted by noble007

His raise is to small on a draw heavy flop...

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I think his raise size. He may be raising small to manipulate a shove all in, or he may be raising small to make a cheap air bluff (which isn't likely). Given the fact we're putting him on a draw his raise size makes very little sense, it doesn't commit him very well and it doesn't blow anyone out of the pot.

SHOVE, I agree that we don't have to worry about UTG.

Actually lol, the more i think about this hand the more i think this is a fold.
in fact, im kinda surprised you called pre, that's marginal at best.
His raise size makes no sense and normally on the no sense side here is a definite hand. UTG flat call is really ridiculous here so i dont know abut that either.

Yeah, fold.

Could UTG have the nut flush draw here wanting to keep button in?

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Originally Posted by Galapogos

Could UTG have the nut flush draw here wanting to keep button in?

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That's how I would play it when a donk is still to act.

However, I don't think that Button is capable of making moves without a big hand. In my book this is a clear fold.

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Originally Posted by Galapogos

Could UTG have the nut flush draw here wanting to keep button in?

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Its concievable that he is playing a good hand passively because of the lagtard behind him. The nut flush draw probably would be raised here.

i think UTG probably has a very weak hand in this spot and im not worried about him at all

Weird, if UTG is solid I just couldn't picture him calling with a weak-ish hand here with you donking into his UTG PFR and a maniac yet to act.

galpagos- by weak i mean he may have a hand as strong as AA. However im flipping with AA and my hand is well disguised so my play on later streets will be +EV given that he called flop

Also UTG isn't calling a shove with AA most likely.

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Also UTG isn't calling a shove with AA most likely.

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Actually I think UTG has something like QQ-TT a lot because he doesn't think he's ahead and wants to get it in a blank turn.

I think it is a closer decision than I originally thought, but I still think a push induces the fold. Even if he is ahead, I don't think he calls the flop AI RR with TT-QQ. Definately not w/ say AQc or AKc.