River the second nuts but probably the nuts. How to extract?

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07-23-2007, 12:08 AM
euphoricism

River the second nuts but probably the nuts. How to extract?

Pretty deep. Villain and I have been taking some shots at each other but nothing exciting has happened really. He's solid, and I think i recognize the SN so probably a 2p2 type.

We're deep, not quite 300bb.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3030385673: Table Effinger - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:01:04 ET - 2007/07/22
Seat 1: Gulp ($29.45)
Seat 2: bballch28 ($18.75)
Seat 3: chwria ($8.50)
Seat 4: Irrational ($19.25)
Seat 5: bgtm236 ($34.20)
Seat 6: adcat ($151.25)
Seat 7: euphologi ($130)
Seat 8: coolwater711 ($43)
Seat 9: crazybettor ($44.65)
Gulp posts the small blind of $0.25
bballch28 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to euphologi [:7c: :7h:]
chwria folds
Irrational folds
bgtm236 folds
adcat calls $0.50
euphologi raises to $2.50
coolwater711 folds
crazybettor folds
Gulp folds
bballch28 folds
adcat has 15 seconds left to act
adcat calls $2
*** FLOP *** [:9d: :Ad: :8s:]
adcat checks
euphologi bets $5
adcat calls $5
*** TURN *** [:9d: :Ad: :8s:] [:Tc:]
adcat checks
euphologi checks
*** RIVER *** [:9d: :Ad: :8s: :Tc:] [:6h:]
adcat bets $15.75 villain bets pot
euphologi ... AAAAAAHHHHHH
07-23-2007, 01:00 AM
Ash256

Jesus christ you run bad.
07-23-2007, 01:05 AM
bigspenda73

First of all you have the 3rd nuts but yes, you're right, you have the practical 1st nuts other than QdJd. Ontop of this your hand is very nicely hidden.

I minraise (seems bad) or make close to a minraise here. There are plenty of hands that will call here and plenty of hands besides straight that could conceivably stack off here as well (sets, AT, etc...).
07-23-2007, 01:09 AM
BankItDrew

J7d/QJd or you win.
07-23-2007, 05:31 AM
Fnord

Yeah, I think QJ calls you on the flop too.

Cry and call. No need to play a big pot in this spot against this opponent.
07-23-2007, 02:28 PM
euphoricism

Third nuts. I dont see him limping QJ/J7. In fact I think his river bet is pure air about 85% of the time.
07-23-2007, 02:41 PM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by euphoricism

Third nuts. I dont see him limping QJ/J7. In fact I think his river bet is pure air about 85% of the time.

Air isn't giving you any more action that you'll want.
07-23-2007, 06:03 PM
euphoricism

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Originally Posted by Fnord

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Originally Posted by euphoricism

Third nuts. I dont see him limping QJ/J7. In fact I think his river bet is pure air about 85% of the time.

Air isn't giving you any more action that you'll want.

Right. Cry calling here sucks but it's correct.

Shoving is interesting for metagame, though.
07-23-2007, 06:11 PM
bigspenda73

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Originally Posted by euphoricism

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Originally Posted by Fnord

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Originally Posted by euphoricism

Third nuts. I dont see him limping QJ/J7. In fact I think his river bet is pure air about 85% of the time.

Air isn't giving you any more action that you'll want.

Right. Cry calling here sucks but it's correct.

Shoving is interesting for metagame, though.

shoving would be just a slight overbet.
07-23-2007, 06:14 PM
euphoricism

That it would
07-23-2007, 07:16 PM
wufwugy

Shoving is slight overbet? Not even close. 270bb deep, no preflop 3 bet, not postflop raises; no way shoving is a slight overbet.

This is not a raise, but also not a crying call. Your line is often a bluff inducer. Sometimes what you beat will call a raise. Call and don't complain.

I've made calls like this on less coordinated boards with middle pair and have been right.
07-23-2007, 07:35 PM
euphoricism

He was being sarcastic. Read his signature ;p