Standard or weak?

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07-21-2007, 06:53 AM
Miffed22001

Standard or weak?

Hand1.
Apologies in advance, convertor not working.
My image is a little aggro, 3betting lots but mostly in position. Game has just gone much shorter handed.
Original raiser is standard tagg, pretty good not spewy. Notes include 3bbs opener is not a premium hand.
Cold caller is unknown.

Absolute Poker. 200nl 6max.

Seat 3 - MRSTAXX_1100 ($81.70 in chips)
Seat 5 - MIFFED22001 ($222.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - MAYO888 ($80 in chips)
Seat 2 - KUSHMAN888 ($388 in chips)
MIFFED22001 - Posts small blind $1
MAYO888 - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MIFFED22001 [Jc Js]
KUSHMAN888 - Raises $6 to $6
MRSTAXX_1100 - Folds
MIFFED22001 - Raises $18 to $19
MAYO888 - Calls $17
KUSHMAN888 - Calls $13
*** FLOP *** [Qd 5s 4h]
MIFFED22001 - Checks....????

Hand 2.
Same image, although ive been 18/10 here so not playing too many
Opps both unknown, but jay keeps buying in at multiple tables with $80, never full. Standard?

Absolute Poker 200nl 6max.

Seat 6 - JAY814 ($79.35 in chips)
Seat 1 - CRETE4U ($61 in chips)
Seat 2 - BROWNIE0804 ($80 in chips)
Seat 3 - EZFISHHHY ($122.30 in chips)
Seat 5 - MIFFED22001 ($269.25 in chips)
CRETE4U - Posts small blind $1
BROWNIE0804 - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MIFFED22001 [Ad 10c]
EZFISHHHY - Folds
MIFFED22001 - Raises $8 to $8
JAY814 - Calls $8
CRETE4U - Calls $7
BROWNIE0804 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [10h Ac Jh]
CRETE4U - Bets $12
MIFFED22001 - Raises $42 to $42....
(Jay moves all in)
07-21-2007, 12:42 PM
|~|ypermegachi

hand 1: these spots always suck. the board is pretty dry. i'd fire a 60% bet and see what happens. by checking you're effectively giving up the hand, unless you plan on check/raising to resteal the pot.

hand 2: shove
07-21-2007, 04:51 PM
snowbird4life

Hand 1:
Im pretty sure i cbet this. I think checking is far too weak and is just giving up on the hand. Although there is a good chance of Kushman having aq/kq, i think its just too weak to give him credit for a queen automatically since its probably only a small portion of his range. I think most of the time u cbet this, they will both fold. Being OOP on this one sucks, especially if you cbet and mayo shoves since your pot commited and almost always behind.

Hand 2:
I shove. Their both short stacked, and i wouldn't expect either of them to be holding kq. So i would bet your ahead here most of the time + those boat outs.
07-21-2007, 08:28 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

Hand 1). Reraise more PF. It may entice some players to call with smaller pocket pairs, which makes it harder for you to play your hand postflop. I would prefer to semibluff c/r this flop with a drawing hand, if that is what you are intending to do (repping K-K+ obv). You are essentially turning your hand into a bluff, and i feel it has more value than that even against two opponents. Do you expect either villain to be leading out with a hand like 10-10 as much as K-Q/A-Q?

Both players have a pretty similar range, given the PF raise size. The coldcaller is much less likely to be holding any of the smaller PP's, but since he isn't a fullstack i am assuming he probably isn't a strong player so it probably isn't out of the question.

Range: (K-Q, A-Q+, 6-6 - J-J, Q-Q+).

IMO it isn't uncommon for players to call a RR with K-Q/A-Q (IMO even to coldcall a 3bet!).

Hand 2). I don't like a RR so much since weaker hands (A-x, J-x most likely) are folding and only better hands continue. However with the flush draw out there i also would raise to ~$40. You have to call the shortstacks AI. A case for just calling would be interesting, though.
07-23-2007, 01:41 AM
mixchange

Hand 1 is really weak, gotta make a strong cbet here.

Hand 2 shove because of the pot. He could have j10, be on a draw, etc. or could have the straight, but too much in there to give up
07-23-2007, 10:58 AM
IowaSkinsFan

1. Raise more pre please and I like a check here as long as opps aren't too aggro.
07-23-2007, 11:30 AM
mixchange

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

1. Raise more pre please and I like a check here as long as opps aren't too aggro.

Why are we checking? If opponent bets, what do we know? What do we do?

if he also checks, and K or A comes on turn, what do we do now?

seems like classic bet/fold
07-23-2007, 02:41 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

1. Raise more pre please and I like a check here as long as opps aren't too aggro.

Why are we checking? If opponent bets, what do we know? What do we do?

if he also checks, and K or A comes on turn, what do we do now?

seems like classic bet/fold

Just because you check doesn't mean you're calling a bet, i think c/f on the flop is a plausible line. I'd rather just fire a c-bet though.

on hand 2 i can't see how you can fold with those stack sizes...
07-23-2007, 02:44 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

1. Raise more pre please and I like a check here as long as opps aren't too aggro.

Why are we checking? If opponent bets, what do we know? What do we do?

if he also checks, and K or A comes on turn, what do we do now?

seems like classic bet/fold

On the flop, if middle to act leads, we fold. If last to act bets, we call.
Tehn we most likely c/f the rest of the way. If opponents are aggro I like betting here.