55k guarentee on Friday on FT

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07-08-2007, 03:25 PM
Doom

55k guarentee on Friday on FT

I am a very successful big multi player. I have final tabled in my last two on Full Tilt. But in my last 4 or 5 big multis I seem to always finish 8th or 9th. This is causing me to re-evalulate my final table play.

Any critique/discussion on this hand for example would be helpful.
I was massive chip leader at this point with 21 players remaining.

Full Tilt Poker Game #2872990729: $55,000 Guarantee (21385599), Table 7 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:06:55 ET - 2007/07/07
Seat 1: Hero (129,311)
Seat 2: doghatebag (30,110)
Seat 3: jpa24 (9,705)
Seat 4: Bolikk (35,225)
Seat 6: Ram33 (80,644)
Seat 7: Nirv679 (32,632)
Seat 8: Action_Jaxon82 (36,950)
Hero antes 200
doghatebag antes 200
jpa24 antes 200
Bolikk antes 200
Ram33 antes 200
Nirv679 antes 200
Action_Jaxon82 antes 200
Hero posts the small blind of 800
doghatebag posts the big blind of 1,600
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Jd]
Hero : nh
jpa24 raises to 9,505, and is all in
Bolikk folds
Ram33 folds
Nirv679 calls 9,505
Ram33: ty
Action_Jaxon82 folds
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME
Hero calls 8,705
doghatebag folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 8c Td]
Hero bets 31,515
Nirv679 calls 22,927, and is all in
Hero shows [As Jd]
jpa24 shows [Kd 8d]
Nirv679 shows [Qs Qd]
Uncalled bet of 8,588 returned to Hero
*** TURN *** [4s 8c Td] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [4s 8c Td 2s] [8h]
Hero shows a pair of Eights
Nirv679 shows two pair, Queens and Eights
Nirv679 wins the side pot (45,854) with two pair, Queens and Eights
jpa24 shows three of a kind, Eights
jpa24 wins the main pot (31,515) with three of a kind, Eights
The blinds are now 1,000/2,000 with an ante of 250
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 77,369 Main pot 31,515. Side pot 45,854. | Rake 0
Board: [4s 8c Td 2s 8h]
Seat 1: Hero (small blind) showed [As Jd] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: doghatebag (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: jpa24 showed [Kd 8d] and won (31,515) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 4: Bolikk folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Ram33 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Nirv679 showed [Qs Qd] and won (45,854) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 8: Action_Jaxon82 folded before the Flop

When I bet the flop, I had him on a medium pair and figured I was still ahead of the desperate all in from the player UTG. I didn't think he would flat call w QQ.
07-08-2007, 05:30 PM
Galapogos

I didn't think successful MTT players bluffed dry side pots.
07-08-2007, 05:38 PM
Muzzard

I'm not the greatest MMT player, so take my advice with a pinch of salt. Sure you could call UTG push with AJ, but a player has called in between and now this seems like an easy fold preflop.

The the flop bet is just stupid, check/fold or hope it checks down. It's a dry side pot.
07-08-2007, 05:57 PM
Doom

Yeah, I agree. The reason I posted this hand here, was that I felt that I greatly misplayed it.
07-08-2007, 06:34 PM
gabe

play tight on the FT, people arent as scared as you think because they are so happy they made it that far
07-08-2007, 08:20 PM
Doom

Of course its a world-class bet if he folds 99 and my A high scoops the pot. But that's a pretty low percentage play and not the play I need to be making there.

I went a little "big stack" crazy.
07-09-2007, 05:53 AM
pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doom

Of course its a world-class bet if he folds 99 and my A high scoops the pot.

It would be no such thing. It's an amateur donkey play that can sometimes win the pot.

You just proved your complete unawareness of basic tournament play concepts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doom

I have final tabled in my last two on Full Tilt.

Hmm, seems lightning CAN strike twice in the same place...
07-09-2007, 12:05 PM
Galapogos

Don't be mean. It serves no purpose.
07-09-2007, 12:38 PM
IowaSkinsFan

whats ur other sn's because officialpokerrankings.com says this one isnt very good
07-09-2007, 10:00 PM
Doom

44, so sad. I feel bad when poor, insecure players use this site to vent their own pathetic frustrations. And stop begging me for $5 in the chat box. It's embarrassing.

Come find me on FT, whenever you wanna lose a buy in.
07-09-2007, 10:17 PM
bigspenda73

Lukie get yo ass in here and like Rob and Big wouuld say "do work son"
07-10-2007, 09:38 AM
drmcboy

re raise/fold pre flop.
07-11-2007, 09:25 AM
pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doom

44, so sad. I feel bad when poor, insecure players use this site to vent their own pathetic frustrations. And stop begging me for $5 in the chat box. It's embarrassing.

Lol, I love your sense of humor mate. But I always ask for $2 max! :?
07-11-2007, 11:41 AM
bigred

No you're stupid!
07-11-2007, 12:53 PM
Galapogos

Hello? Yes, excuse me, I'd like to speak to whoever's in charge here.
07-12-2007, 10:11 AM
bigred

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Hello? Yes, excuse me, I'd like to speak to whoever's in charge here.

Hello sir, how may I help you?
07-12-2007, 10:16 AM
bigspenda73

That's such a douche move trying to steal the sidepot
07-12-2007, 01:11 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

That's such a douche move trying to steal the sidepot

its protecting your hand if you think you are ahead, thats poker
07-12-2007, 09:28 PM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

That's such a douche move trying to steal the sidepot

its protecting your hand if you think you are ahead, thats poker

Guessing shoving PF would have accomplished that.
07-12-2007, 10:27 PM
gabe

im not saying i like the way the hand was played but in general i think stealing sidepots isnt as bad as people make it seem
07-13-2007, 07:50 AM
pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

its protecting your hand if you think you are ahead, thats poker

In that case of course Gabe! But in this hand OP thought he was behind and tried to bluff! :roll:

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

im not saying i like the way the hand was played but in general i think stealing sidepots isnt as bad as people make it seem

Do you mean actual sidepots or dry sidepots?

I actually saw David Sklansky trying to steal a dry sidepot with ace high in a televised WPT event once (you can guess what Mike thought of that...). He got the other player to fold his hand (which was worse anyway), but still lost to the committed player. I think the play was atrocious and only increased the equity of the committed player.

If someone still wants to try to steal a dry sidepot, then at least do it with a smallish bet. Stealing dry sidepots is so uncommon amongst good players that people will usually give credit to a bet. I still don't recommend doing it.