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over the past 10k hands i'm losing both AK and AKs.
i'm not really sure what to look for in poker tracker, i don't wanna just barrage this thread with hands.
where should i start looking to see why i'm losing here? or is my sample size still too small to get meaningful conclusions? (42 AKs, 126 AKo)
Post some hands or PM me.
well, here's some of my biggest losers
this one's from tonight: villain's raised my cbets pretty liberally 3 or 4 times before this. the raise on the flop was expected from him. he was loose, and i thought maybe i would be able to get him to fold, and i didn't mind too much if he called cuz he's loose.
the rest of these hands i'll just post them with the relevant stats of villains because i won't remember any specific reads.Quote:
Originally Posted by hand 1
villain has 23 hands, so nothing useful
villain is 15/4/3.6 over 104 handsQuote:
Originally Posted by hand 2
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Originally Posted by hand 3
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Originally Posted by hand 4
I hate hyper-focusing on big pots because many of those hands play themselves, have obvious errors or marginal decisions where we went aggro.
When looking to improve my score I like to make sure I'm focusing on small and medium pots.
I think this flop raise sucks. Not shoving the turn once you build the pot and get a blank is pretty bad too.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hyper ($98.80)
Button ($98.50)
SB ($164.90)
BB ($163.45)
UTG ($106.50)
MP ($368.40)
Preflop: Hyper is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $3, Hyper raises to $8, 3 folds, MP calls $5.
Flop: ($17.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
MP bets $9, Hyper raises to $25, MP calls $16.
Turn: ($67.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hyper checks.
River: ($67.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
MP bets $9, Hyper calls $9.
Final Pot: $85.50
The size of the raise or raising in general there fnord
If I raise that flop with AK I want to be all-in or against a really terrible player. With about pot behind I think he need to just stick it in on the turn instead of playing river guessing games.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
It just looks like you are playing it too aggressively. You want to be the one 3 betting AK. When calling someone else's 3 bet you have to be more cautious on the flop. I don't like pushing if you missed a 3betted flop when you called the 3 bet and missed (hand 1 & 3)
hand 2 it seems like you are playing tptk like its the nuts, I think you lead the turn and fold to a raise. AJ or a set is always possible.
My profitable AK all ins are top two and nut straight, nut flush. Just play it more conservatively and you'll start making it profitable. I lose more with fancy play than I do win... maybe its just me.
After 3-betting AK, TPTK is the nuts in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by mixchange
Late night thoughts (disclaimer: I just played 5 HU FL SNGs (4-1 go me))
There's nothing wrong with calling a 3bet with AK PF and felting all low flops...IF you're doing the same with AA/KK.
I guess this merely pertains to playing against the regs as against unknowns I'm sure it's spew.
Our range needs to be balanced a bit though. We shouldn't always have it when we push these flops but we need to have it more often than not. I'd like to see how you're playing your big pairs in the same situations Hyper and see if you're allowing yourself to be exploited.
after you *called* a 3 bet fnord?
seems that felting ak when you totally miss after calling a 3 bet is a recipe to go all in behind
Figure pre-flop gets around 24bb into the pot, throw in a c-bet (does little/nothing to define the aggressor's hand), by then I rarely have enough of a read to fold TPTK 100bb deep on just about any flop.Quote:
Originally Posted by mixchange
I was referring to when you totally missed. The TPTK hand is a tougher spot. Maybe I'm nitty for folding that on the turn, but when you flop zilch are you felting when calling a 3 bet? that would seem like spew
I do this sometimes...
POKERSTARS GAME #6724743887: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2006/10/22 - 05:45:00 (ET)
Table 'Altair III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: caca993 ($267.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Lundlado10 ($151.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Fnord ($224.45 in chips)
Seat 4: WDG-GCC ($214.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Pudusplat ($349.95 in chips)
Fnord: posts small blind $1
WDG-GCC: posts big blind $2
peemum: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fnord [As Ks]
Pudusplat: folds
caca993: folds
Lundlado10: raises $7 to $9
Fnord: raises $15 to $24
WDG-GCC: folds
Lundlado10: calls $15
*** FLOP *** [2d Jc 6d]
Fnord: bets $30
Lundlado10: calls $30
*** TURN *** [2d Jc 6d] [3s]
Fnord: bets $170.45 and is all-in
Lundlado10 said, "ahh"
Lundlado10 said, "u have pocket K or A ? :P"
Lundlado10: folds
Fnord collected $108 from pot
not the same thing -- you are the 3 better here. I specifically referred to hands where you called a 3 better and missed.
Your push makes sense because you've repped it the whole way.
I don't think you should call a 3-bet with AK
So we should fourbet?Quote:
Originally Posted by minSim
Do you ever just call with AK :)
It sounded bizarre to me - its one of the few things I've learnt from the beginning 'always 3bet AK' , but in one of sbrugby recent vids, he said twice its fine to just call and get involved when A or K hits??
It seemed like such a weak way to play it, but I was having problems with it myself & was getting 'too involved' too often with it.
So I tried just calling with it in pos to a single pfr +-35% of the time in the last 10k hands with much success.
AKs is currently 3.8 bb/hand and AK is 1.27.
When A or K flops the opponents still think most Aces and Kings are good as they would expect AK to re-raise pre and I'm getting paid off big.
Although I play at lower stakes where they overplay tp - any kicker,
I presume as Srugby suggested it, that it might have some merit at higher levels to?
Noble,
I definitely see where you're coming from but only if we will be OOP postflop. AK can be a bitch to play postflop if we are first to act every street. I've stopped 3betting it so much out of the blinds to UTG/MP openers but I continue to do so from LP openers.
Yeah that seems to make a bit more sense.
I forgot to mention that the stakes you play mean a ton in determining how you play AK PF b/c of opponents 3 and 4betting ranges.
fnord?
Yes honey?Quote:
Originally Posted by mixchange
i dont know what hand 2 c/r is supposed to accomplish Hyper??? i dont use this line much but surely on that board its a poor play
i think mixchange was talking about something like hand 3 fnord
i actually posted that hand on 2p2. everyone said "standard." unless villain is a superdonk (which he isn't) i don't see how it can be standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da GOAT
link??Quote:
Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...e#Post10497256
albeit only 2 people responded, but since no one else chimed in i'm guessing everyone there agrees or thinks it's close.
Don't look for advice over there cuz the poster-pool is so large you have no idea who to trust.
i would consider the post unanswered then IMO
betting is by far the best option
fnord, just thought maybe you had some dope hands of people folding to when you *Called* a 3 bet and then moved on the flop. Guess not -- it's a bad line IMO and prone to stacking off behind.
You seemed to disagree with me, but I guess you were ignoring the phrase "calling a 3 bet" in my posts ;p
I thought all those hands were spew.
looks like you are generally overplaying AK. You played LH before right? I've noticed many former limit players have this leak which in part is due to having poor pot control skills.
i've never played FR before, don't plan on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
here's another gem from tonight. villain is a multitabling reg. he's 3bet me before from the BB vs a steal and i folded. even tho this was the 2nd time, i got that "feeling" that he was doing it light.
Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Hero: $98.50
UTG+1: $87.15
CO: $68.58
Button: $168.30
SB: $98.50
BB: $181.49
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A :diamond: K :heart:
Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Button raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $22.5, Button thinks for about 20 seconds and calls.
Flop: 8 :spade: T :heart: 7 :heart: ($46.5, 2 players)
Hero chickens out and checks, Button checks.
Turn: 9 :heart: ($46.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $25, Hero calls for any heart/A/K
River: J :spade: ($96.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button is all-in $120.8, Hero SWEARS WTF DAMN IT ALL ROLFCOPTER and folds.
Uncalled bets: $120.8 returned to Button.
Results:
Final pot: $96.5
FR = fullring? I was talking about limit holdem.Quote:
Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
Um stop 4betting it OOP if you're not shoving it plz.
oh my bad. i thought you meant LH=longhanded...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
i was gonna say i don't like this because we're only called when beat and everything else is insta-folding.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
but then i realized, we're only afraid of AA/KK (even against KK we're 30% to win). flipping vs everything else (but there's dead money)....which makes shoving very +EV vs a 3bet.
leak 196 plugged.
yeah nothing wrong with shoving AK preflop OOP 100bb deep, but it is very opponent dependant. Against a 25/20 who 3-bets light I'm convinced its the most +EV way to play the hand.