Seeking advice on a bunch of 100nl hands

Ok, here are a bunch of hands against mostly 100 nl multitabling regulars on prima. They're mostly bad, ranging from nitty to loose-passive. I don't use HUD in these games, so my reads aren't as specific as i'd like. Here we go...

HAND 1 : River decision is what interests me here... Standard push or is this too thin?

** Game ID 1438209010 starting - 2007-06-12 08:47:03
** Andreas [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Ravageur sitting in seat 1 with $108.00 [Dealer]
- Aceofzpadez sitting in seat 2 with $131.60
- M00gan sitting in seat 3 with $58.58
- grekland sitting in seat 4 with $74.80
- FISH_GO_MOO sitting in seat 5 with $109.76

Aceofzpadez posted the small blind - $0.50
M00gan posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Ravageur: :td: :8d:
grekland folded
FISH_GO_MOO raised - $3.30
Ravageur called - $3.30
Aceofzpadez folded
M00gan folded

** Dealing the flop :Ah: :Qd: :3d:
FISH_GO_MOO bet - $4.40
Ravageur raised - $13.00
FISH_GO_MOO called - $13.00

** Dealing the turn :4d:
FISH_GO_MOO checked
Ravageur bet - $24.00
FISH_GO_MOO called - $24.00

** Dealing the river :Ac:
FISH_GO_MOO checked
Ravageur has 67$ left and ???


HAND 2 : This hand might be less interesting.... My 3-bet pre is just to get it HU instead of peeling it 5-way. As played, does anyone call the flop minraise?

** Game ID 1438259092 starting - 2007-06-12 09:30:18
** Donatianus [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- katchuken sitting in seat 1 with $92.00 [Dealer]
- clairdelune sitting in seat 2 with $100.13
- Ravageur sitting in seat 3 with $123.80
- gazzayork sitting in seat 4 with $59.45
- MR_Jimmy sitting in seat 5 with $126.67
- LaMeRR sitting in seat 6 with $100.00 [Sitting out]

clairdelune posted the small blind - $0.50
Ravageur posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Ravageur :Jh: :Jc:
gazzayork called - $1.00
MR_Jimmy folded
katchuken raised - $2.00
clairdelune folded
Ravageur raised - $10.00
gazzayork folded
katchuken called - $10.00

** Dealing the flop: :Qd: :Qc: :Qs:
Ravageur bet - $14.00
katchuken raised - $28.00
Ravageur called - $28.00

** Dealing the turn: :7h:
Ravageur checked
katchuken bet - $38.75
Ravageur ???

HAND 3 : Spew?

** Game ID 1438186099 starting - 2007-06-12 08:29:41
** Andreas [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Ravageur sitting in seat 1 with $136.50 [Dealer]- Aceofzpadez sitting in seat 2 with $107.45
- yoodan sitting in seat 3 with $30.12
- sasag sitting in seat 4 with $19.50
- FISH_GO_MOO sitting in seat 5 with $121.66
- Bebbe sitting in seat 6 with $90.27

Aceofzpadez posted the small blind - $0.50
yoodan posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Ravageur: :9h: :Jh:
sasag folded
FISH_GO_MOO folded
Bebbe raised - $4.00
Ravageur called - $4.00
Aceofzpadez folded
yoodan called - $4.00

** Dealing the flop: :th: :8d: :4d:
yoodan checked
Bebbe bet - $9.00
Ravageur called - $9.00
yoodan folded

** Dealing the turn: :6h:
Bebbe bet - $22.00
Ravageur raised - $96.50...

HAND 4 : Turn decision is what I'm curious about...guess it's a standard shove against someone with less than 100 bbs or is it?
** Game ID 1438219616 starting - 2007-06-12 08:55:37
** Jos诨a [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Macca14 sitting in seat 1 with $164.76
- Ravageur sitting in seat 2 with $98.80
- ganskefrekt sitting in seat 3 with $142.15
- Ninja_Rush sitting in seat 4 with $98.50
- kenmor sitting in seat 5 with $74.96
- MR_Jimmy sitting in seat 6 with $118.90 [Dealer]

Macca14 posted the small blind - $0.50
Ravageur posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Ravageur: :6s: :7s:
ganskefrekt folded
Ninja_Rush folded
kenmor raised - $4.00
MR_Jimmy folded
Macca14 called - $4.00
Ravageur called - $4.00

** Dealing the flop: :3c: :6c: :Qs:
Macca14 checked
Ravageur bet - $7.00
kenmor called - $7.00
Macca14 folded

** Dealing the turn: :7h:
Ravageur bet - $22.00
kenmor raised - $44.00
Ravageur ???

HAND 5 : This one is a riddle and my favourite hand. I managed to call out his exact hand before I made my river decision. Having said that though, what is the general concensus on the river...how many of you are raising? Do any shove the turn? Villain is particularly bad and I cant imagine having any fold equity on the turn...river is another matter altogether.

** Game ID 1438120610 starting - 2007-06-12 07:39:46
** Indus [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Ravageur sitting in seat 1 with $92.36 [Dealer]
- Pondolino79 sitting in seat 2 with $11.77
- ka0b6m3 sitting in seat 3 with $232.10
- Macca14 sitting in seat 5 with $131.59
- saintsfan170 sitting in seat 6 with $99.85

Pondolino79 posted the small blind - $0.50
ka0b6m3 posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Ravageur: :Jh: :Ad:
Macca14 folded
saintsfan170 called - $1.00
Ravageur raised - $5.00
Pondolino79 folded
ka0b6m3 folded
saintsfan170 called - $5.00

** Dealing the flop: :td: :Ac: :4d:
saintsfan170 checked
Ravageur bet - $7.00
saintsfan170 called - $7.00

** Dealing the turn: :Jd:
saintsfan170 checked
Ravageur bet - $18.00
saintsfan170 raised - $36.00
Ravageur called - $36.00

** Dealing the river: 5 of Clubs
saintsfan170 bet - $1.00
Ravageur tries not to laugh and...

HAND 6 : Ok last one. I think I played this about as badly as I possible could have. Please give me some better lines...

** Game ID 1438283403 starting - 2007-06-12 09:51:24
** Salzburg [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- ilotas sitting in seat 1 with $100.00 [Sitting out]
- SuperEan sitting in seat 2 with $162.40 [Dealer]- antibes sitting in seat 3 with $193.85
- Ravageur sitting in seat 4 with $259.80
- ivaren sitting in seat 5 with $65.10
- Mico147 sitting in seat 6 with $30.81

antibes posted the small blind - $0.50
Ravageur posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Ravageur: :As: :Ac:
ivaren folded
Mico147 folded
SuperEan raised - $4.00
antibes folded
Ravageur raised - $15.00
SuperEan called - $15.00

** Dealing the flop: :Jd: :ts: :8h:
Ravageur bet - $22.00
SuperEan called - $22.00

** Dealing the turn: :7h:
Ravageur checked
SuperEan bet - $45.00
Ravageur is reaching for the fold button...

hand 1: i muck preflop. as played, it depends. if you wouldn't feel sick calling a push, then bet. otherwise, check.

hand 2: folds. calling the flop is debatable too...a J doesn't even help your hand.

hand 3: i muck to the raise preflop. this is spew without a read. i would rather raise the flop and check the turn.

hand 4: check/fold the flop. i'd actually check/call this turn. as played, i think shoving is ok...i think...not sure. i think it's better than calling or folding.

hand 5: at first thought i was gonna say push the turn, but i like calling more. i wonder if the river was a mis-bet...value bet 30% or so.

hand 6: i bet closer to pot on the flop. you should have bet that turn yourself.

God all these hands are funny for various reasons. Some of the guys are soooo bad on Prima and only make $ by coolering other ppl. I'll give a detailed reply later. Only thing I can say for sure is that I bet turn with the AA hand and only really think about folding if villain wakes up after I 2-barrel.

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

hand 1: i muck preflop. as played, it depends. if you wouldn't feel sick calling a push, then bet. otherwise, check.

hand 2: folds. calling the flop is debatable too...a J doesn't even help your hand.

hand 3: i muck to the raise preflop. this is spew without a read. i would rather raise the flop and check the turn.

hand 4: check/fold the flop. i'd actually check/call this turn. as played, i think shoving is ok...i think...not sure. i think it's better than calling or folding.

hand 5: at first thought i was gonna say push the turn, but i like calling more. i wonder if the river was a mis-bet...value bet 30% or so.

hand 6: i bet closer to pot on the flop. you should have bet that turn yourself.

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Wow, your thoughts really surprised me. What are your stats? You strike me as a nit (which is fine...but it puts things in context so that I can take your advice with a grain of salt). I play a 27/17/1.8af game so this is my style. To be honest, I'm not really looking for opinions on preflop except maybe the JJ hand (as I don't think my preflop plays in the other hands are anything but standard for my style of play). The other decisions I thought were interesting, but maybe not as much as I originally thought.

For the AA hand, the only worse hand that's giving me action there is really QQ (maybe KK?). I think KK even mucks if I pump the turn. So my thought process was to turn my one pair hand into a bluff catcher but nothing more or try to get to a cheap showdown. That's a pretty gross board...

Thanks for the reply though truly, good to hear someone with a different style's opinion.
Rav

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Originally Posted by Ravageur

You strike me as a nit (which is fine...but it puts things in context so that I can take your advice with a grain of salt).

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thanks for the vote of confidence. why don't you disclaimer your posts so only people with 27/17/1.8 stats can reply?

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Originally Posted by Ravageur

You strike me as a nit (which is fine...but it puts things in context so that I can take your advice with a grain of salt).

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thanks for the vote of confidence. why don't you disclaimer your posts so only people with 27/17/1.8 stats can reply?

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You're right, I should've posted my stats in the original post so people can take that into context. No need to get upset about it, it's just a poker forum. And...umm...did I not thank you for your opinion????

I think i'm missing something...why the bitterness? And if you think folding suited gappers in position preflop is standard 100bbs deep against donks stacking off with top pair, then yes I think you may be on the nitty side.

1 : I like the way you played this hand. Now get the money in and be happy when you stack Ax.

2 : This is so close it's silly. Without a read, I'd prob fold the flop some of the time. The problem is that nothing will change between the flop and the river, so without a read you're basically just gambling.

3 : Once again, without detailed reads this is hard to say. Vs an aggro villain capable of 2-barelling, this is a must raise (since you're not getting implied odds on his potential air to call turn). Never fold, but I think it's best to flat-call the turn (since you have so little fold-equity vs a nit with an overpair).

4 : Just get it in vs some random dood who overvalues TPGK with 75bb's

5 : I'd just call since it's very possible that villain's "I LOVE MY HAND AND MINRAISE THE TURN" hands that are NOT flushes are leading your top 2. Something like KQ with a diamond makes a lot of sense.

Nothing BAD about raising here. Would you feel compelled to raise if villain had bet 10$? Also, how much room do you have behind if you raise without shoving?

Hand 6 : I think the big thing here is that if you bet the turn and are raised, it's a pretty easy fold (at these games vs these nits, presuming villain isn't some super aggro random dood). Also, KK and QQ will usually just allow u to value-bet them, so there's value in 2-barelling.

As played, I'd make my decision here right now. If you're proceeding with the hand, there are 2 many cards that can either hurt your action or put you in an impossible river spot, so I'd CRai. Otherwise just fold.

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

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Originally Posted by Ravageur

You strike me as a nit (which is fine...but it puts things in context so that I can take your advice with a grain of salt).

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thanks for the vote of confidence. why don't you disclaimer your posts so only people with 27/17/1.8 stats can reply?

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You're right, I should've posted my stats in the original post so people can take that into context. No need to get upset about it, it's just a poker forum. And...umm...did I not thank you for your opinion????

I think i'm missing something...why the bitterness? And if you think folding suited gappers in position preflop is standard 100bbs deep against donks stacking off with top pair, then yes I think you may be on the nitty side.

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next time i know my opinion will be taken for a grain of salt i won't waste my time giving it. and my 23/16/2.5 stats are probably not what you expected me to have either, but you might as well take that for a grain of salt too.

you play 23/16 and fold 108s and j9s in position >100 bbs deep?

And yes, I take most people's advice with a grain of salt. That's the idea of this forum I thought, you pick and choose from other people's input to make up your *gasp* own style of play that works for you. When I give advice, i don't expect people to instantly bow down and do what i do.

ZOMG DRAMA

anyway, this crap could go on forever between me and you hyper, so I will end it by apologizing for getting personal and thanking you for the input (ur the only one beside genitruc that even read it so thx again for that AND the advice). I gotta get to bed soon.

fine. e-drama over. i gotta sleep too.

fwiw, i fold T8s and J9s to a raise preflop without a second thought. it'd be different with limpers or opening.

hand 1: u played it fine now shove plz

hand 2: i have trouble folding here ever tho it is conceivable he has AA here but whatever GG (tho this is opponent dependent and most marginal spot of all that u have showed)

hand 3: good/almost std, but DEFINITELY the optimal line for 200nl at least in my experience on stars

hand 4: shove u played it well

hand 5: i shove river against a bad opponent, maybe even make a smaller raise- did he have 32?

hand 6: ugh, i check/raise or check/call, depending on opponent's tendencies- against complete unknown probably check/call

u can also c/r flop here occasionally

ravageur- also let me just say that i think u played all of these hands well

Hand #1: I push the river. Lots of omg I have trips hands call you here.

Hand #2: Tough one. I always reraise this min-raise preflop. I think I'll still be willing to play for stacks on this flop if the players are as bad as I hear on this site. I just can't see someone this dumb not going nuts with AA-KK here preflop.

Hand #3: Definately like this. You don't have the odds to call but your hand is so good.

Hand #4: Shovesky Turnsky.

Hand #5: Did he have JT? Can't decide if it's worthwhile to shove here because I don't know if he's calling with that with a flush on board. This is one of those spots that's totally opponent dependant. I either shove or call with the little bits extra I know about the guy.

Hand #6: I probably lead the turn. Not necessarily because it's the best play but because it makes this hand easier for me.

Ok, results time.

Hand 1 : I pushed and he called with A-4 for a running full house (but yea I think my push is pretty standard)

Hand 2 : I pushed turn and he had AA (i think i could've gotten away from this one)

Hand 3 : I pushed obv and he snap called with q10 off (nice call by him really) and it held.

Hand 4 : I pushed turn and he called with 99 lol and sucked out not that it matters.

Hand 5 : When he bet 1$ I thought he had KQoff and I just called and he did

Hand 6 : I c/folded turn....yeah i played it bad i know.

Anyway results kind of meaningless, they were the 6 hands that put me in the most marginal thoughts of a session so thought i'd get your thoughts. Many thanks to all.