A place for a big bluff?

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05-16-2007, 02:03 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

A place for a big bluff?

opponent runs 20/16 and seems pretty aggressive and generally and ok player. Last hand he caught me making a river bluff, but otherwise i've been playing solidly.

I'm thinking... Yeti Theorem

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($150.70)
SB ($292.60)
Hero ($420.25)
UTG ($212)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
2 folds, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($16) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero raises to $36, SB raises to $110, Hero ???
05-16-2007, 02:18 PM
sauce123

i like it... SHOVE!!!
05-16-2007, 02:37 PM
phantom_lord

shove gogogogogogo!
05-16-2007, 02:47 PM
griffey24

lol

do you guys really think he's going away in this hand?

Are you shoving BECAUSE he 3-bet you on the flop? If he flat called, I'd imagine you would be more afraid of the K?
05-16-2007, 03:29 PM
gabe

without showing me cards i could tell you that SB should have called your flop raise then pushed over any bet you made on turn, or push riv if it checked through
05-16-2007, 03:45 PM
dsaxton

No.
05-16-2007, 03:52 PM
mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

without showing me cards i could tell you that SB should have called your flop raise then pushed over any bet you made on turn, or push riv if it checked through

but what if his re-raise is going to get the OP to do this?
05-16-2007, 04:34 PM
sauce123

rainbow paired flops: pissing contest
05-16-2007, 05:07 PM
Genitruc

calling and pushing the turn is scarier but shoving flop is o.k. too.

Also, if he bets into you on turn after you call the flop 3-bet then he has the goods (assuming he's a thinking player like you say). Imagine your line from his POV...
05-16-2007, 05:24 PM
Silly String

Hated it. Move on!
05-16-2007, 05:28 PM
Rondavu

What the hell are you thinking?
05-16-2007, 05:59 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

rainbow paired flops: pissing contest

word
05-16-2007, 06:10 PM
Ash256

Yeti Theorem ftw?
05-16-2007, 08:06 PM
Alexos

Isnt Yeti theorem something more like 225 or 227 rainbow or wtv...he could have a king here
05-16-2007, 08:54 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

...he could have a king here

that doesn't mean he's not folding it to a flop shove

Quote:

calling and pushing the turn is scarier but shoving flop is o.k. too.

that's what i was thinking
05-16-2007, 08:57 PM
gabe

why would he rerraise wit ha king

why would he call a push with a king
05-16-2007, 09:03 PM
IowaSkinsFan

baluga theorem easy shove lol get with the program guys.
POKERSTARS GAME #9931409946: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/05/15 - 19:12:36 (ET)
Table 'Carme II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pier85 ($186.20 in chips)
Seat 2: tazzy36 ($46 in chips)
Seat 3: purediesel1 ($238.70 in chips)
Seat 4: cconnard ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: jdequino ($198.95 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($200 in chips)
Pier85: posts small blind $1
tazzy36: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9c Ts]
purediesel1: folds
cconnard: raises $6 to $8
jdequino: folds
redgrape: calls $8
Pier85: folds
tazzy36: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 8s 7d]
cconnard: bets $12
redgrape: raises $24 to $36
cconnard: raises $36 to $72
redgrape: raises $120 to $192 and is all-in
cconnard: folds
tazzy36 is disconnected
redgrape collected $160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163 | Rake $3
Board [8c 8s 7d]
Seat 1: Pier85 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tazzy36 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: purediesel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: cconnard folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jdequino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: redgrape (button) collected ($160)
05-16-2007, 09:03 PM
IowaSkinsFan

baluga theorem easy shove lol get with the program guys.
POKERSTARS GAME #9931409946: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/05/15 - 19:12:36 (ET)
Table 'Carme II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pier85 ($186.20 in chips)
Seat 2: tazzy36 ($46 in chips)
Seat 3: purediesel1 ($238.70 in chips)
Seat 4: cconnard ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: jdequino ($198.95 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($200 in chips)
Pier85: posts small blind $1
tazzy36: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9c Ts]
purediesel1: folds
cconnard: raises $6 to $8
jdequino: folds
redgrape: calls $8
Pier85: folds
tazzy36: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 8s 7d]
cconnard: bets $12
redgrape: raises $24 to $36
cconnard: raises $36 to $72
redgrape: raises $120 to $192 and is all-in
cconnard: folds
tazzy36 is disconnected
redgrape collected $160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163 | Rake $3
Board [8c 8s 7d]
Seat 1: Pier85 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tazzy36 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: purediesel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: cconnard folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jdequino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: redgrape (button) collected ($160)
05-16-2007, 10:12 PM
Silly String

Hell, at least you had outs.
05-16-2007, 10:32 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silly String

Hell, at least you had outs.

not really, DUCY
05-16-2007, 10:45 PM
JJDAMAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silly String

Hell, at least you had outs.

not really, DUCY

negative. Explan please.
05-16-2007, 11:02 PM
gabe

yea wtf is isf talking about
05-16-2007, 11:13 PM
IowaSkinsFan

if he calls surely he has a boat no?
Well yeah i guess not but that was my reasoning at the time i made the DUCY post.
05-16-2007, 11:18 PM
gabe

of course he can call with more than a boat
05-16-2007, 11:18 PM
|~|ypermegachi

yeti theorem...first time i heard of it. makes no sense. why would the 4bet on that kinda of board be a bluff all the time? is it because if you had a hand you'd just 4bet AI instead of leaving yourself some money behind?
05-17-2007, 12:30 AM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

yeti theorem...first time i heard of it. makes no sense. why would the 4bet on that kinda of board be a bluff all the time? is it because if you had a hand you'd just 4bet AI instead of leaving yourself some money behind?

Yeti Theorem actually refers to the 3-bet on this board as being a bluff, not heros 4-bet. The idea is, if you actually had one of these hands you wouldn't blow your opponent out on the flop.
05-17-2007, 01:45 AM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

of course he can call with more than a boat

i wasnt saying that, i was saying most of the time someone would make that sort of raise with a real hand id expect them to show up with a boat a lot, not everytime, not even close to everytime, but alot.

oh yeah this is yeti theorem right. What is baluga theorem then?
05-17-2007, 12:21 PM
JJDAMAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

of course he can call with more than a boat

i wasnt saying that, i was saying most of the time someone would make that sort of raise with a real hand id expect them to show up with a boat a lot, not everytime, not even close to everytime, but alot.

oh yeah this is yeti theorem right. What is baluga theorem then?

The baluga theorem is when villain flat calls your flop bet in position, then raises your turn lead.
05-17-2007, 03:47 PM
zenbitz

why "baluga" meaning = must be good in the sense of baluga caviar?? opposite of "yeti" (doesn't exists).

Also - important part of the theorem: raise on the turn == 1 pair no good.
05-17-2007, 03:52 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Baluga is just a poster on 2p2 who made it up.
05-17-2007, 04:27 PM
|~|ypermegachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenbitz

why "baluga" meaning = must be good in the sense of baluga caviar?? opposite of "yeti" (doesn't exists).

Also - important part of the theorem: raise on the turn == 1 pair no good.

i believe it's "reevaluate" not necessarily fold. there was a thread that advocated calling down on certain flops more than others, i.e. if it's all high cards you should be inclined to call (i think that's how it went).

i've always thought of the Baluga Theorem to be plain common sense.
05-17-2007, 05:40 PM
zenbitz

well I dunno this thread is first I heard of is so I googled "beluga theorem" actually getting two "definitions" (from random blogs/sites:)

1) a turn check-raise means your TP is no good
and
2) a turn raise after a flop call means one pair no good

Interestingly, the search had no twoplustwo resutls... I wonder if they block spiders?
05-17-2007, 08:06 PM
Irisheyes

***** Hand History for Game 5977390837 *****
Fort_Knoxx has left the table.
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Thu May 17 13:51:30 EDT 2007
Table Table 125918 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: bliblablubb111 ( $200)
Seat 2: corrallie ( $460.92)
Seat 3: Hero ( $280.45)
Seat 4: Nurita72 ( $38.80)
Seat 6: cwchcl ( $228.80)
corrallie posts small blind (1)
Hero posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[ J :spade: , A :diamond: ]
Nurita72 folds.
corrallie raises (7) to 8
Hero calls (6)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Q :spade: , Q :club: , 9 :heart: ]
corrallie bets (12)
Hero raises (34) to 34
corrallie raises (68) to 80
Hero raises (238.45) to 272.45
Hero is all-In.
corrallie folds.
05-18-2007, 04:54 AM
Da GOAT

i love this thread