boost your bb/100

rather than bluffing just when the opportunity presents itself, actively go out looking for the right players and the right spots.

Find the right type of thinking opponent (most important) and when they advertise their hand, make raises you know they can never call. Believable big ball bluffs are rare in low stakes and therefore thoroughly convincing to those schooled in the ‘don’t call all your stack with just a pair’ mentality.

Game #3948752353: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2007/05/02 - 18:00:25 (UK)
Table "Jacinta" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: hawk71 sits out
Seat 2: grind sits out
Seat 3: FIshER622 ($41 in chips)
Seat 4: Smiffy44 ($119.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Moytro ($56.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Emmitt ($111.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Computer_ ($83.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Zedc01017 ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Ianr2308 ($55.25 in chips)
Seat 10: Mapelleaf ($100 in chips)
Moytro: posts small blind $0.50
Emmitt: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [3d 3h]
Computer_: folds
Zedc01017: folds
Ianr2308: calls $1
FIshER622: calls $1
Smiffy44: calls $1
Moytro: folds
Emmitt: raises to $5
Ianr2308: folds
FIshER622: folds
Smiffy44: calls $4
----- FLOP ----- [9c Qh 9h]
Emmitt: bets $8
Smiffy44: calls $8
----- TURN ----- [9c Qh 9h][2d]
Emmitt: bets $13
Smiffy44: raises to $36
Emmitt: folds
Returned uncalled bets $23 to Smiffy44
Smiffy44: doesn't show hand
Smiffy44 collected $52 from Main pot


Game #3949437283: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/05/02 - 19:13:02 (UK)
Table "TampTamp" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Smiffy44 ($208.25 in chips)
Seat 2: bennekom ($78.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Moytro ($54.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Strudel ($200 in chips)
Seat 5: Jokka ($397.01 in chips)
Seat 6: Mike1674 ($155 in chips)
Seat 7: corleon63 ($123.75 in chips)
Seat 8: grind ($200 in chips)
Seat 9: Nandoo ($202.25 in chips)
Seat 10: assomat ($243 in chips)
Jokka: posts small blind $1
Mike1674: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [6s Ac]
corleon63: folds
Nandoo: folds
assomat: folds
Smiffy44: raises to $6
bennekom: folds
Moytro: folds
Strudel: folds
Jokka: folds
Jokka sits out
Mike1674: calls $4
----- FLOP ----- [4d Js Qc]
Mike1674: bets $8
Jokka sits back
Smiffy44: raises to $24
Mike1674: calls $16
----- TURN ----- [4d Js Qc][3h]
Mike1674: bets $16
Smiffy44: raises to $45
Mike1674: folds
Returned uncalled bets $29 to Smiffy44
Smiffy44: doesn't show hand
Smiffy44 collected $90 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $93 Main pot $90 Rake $3
Board [4d Js Qc 3h]
Seat 1: Smiffy44 collected $90
Seat 2: bennekom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Moytro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Strudel (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Jokka (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Mike1674 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: corleon63 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Nandoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: assomat folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Game #3968828503: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2007/05/04 - 15:22:49 (UK)
Table "Jacinta" Seat 9 is the button.
Seat 1: bouffard ($107 in chips)
Seat 2: MBpoker ($103.75 in chips)
Seat 3: 1mtl_phil ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 4: pirouette ($18 in chips)
Seat 5: Squeak004 ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: _fjompen_ ($84.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Mark__ ($96.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Dimstreet ($95 in chips)
Seat 9: Smiffy44 ($121 in chips)
Seat 10: Nigritia ($25 in chips)
Nigritia: posts small blind $0.50
bouffard sits out
MBpoker: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [9h 6h]
1mtl_phil: folds
pirouette: folds
_fjompen_: folds
Mark__: folds
Dimstreet: folds
Smiffy44: raises to $3
Nigritia: folds
MBpoker: calls $2
----- FLOP ----- [7s As 3c]
MBpoker: checks
Smiffy44: bets $6
MBpoker: raises to $12
Smiffy44: raises to $22
MBpoker: folds
Returned uncalled bets $10 to Smiffy44
Smiffy44: doesn't show hand
Smiffy44 collected $29 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $30.50 Main pot $29 Rake $1.50
Board [7s As 3c]
Seat 2: MBpoker (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: 1mtl_phil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pirouette folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: _fjompen_ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Mark__ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Dimstreet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Smiffy44 (button) collected $29
Seat 10: Nigritia (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Game #3968559503: Hold'em NL (£1/£2) - 2007/05/04 - 14:00:53 (UK)
Table "Taunton" Seat 10 is the button.
Seat 2: Panda63 (£470.45 in chips)
Seat 3: Ljulik (£298.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Vas170810 (£80 in chips)
Seat 5: Faisa0103 (£36.25 in chips)
Seat 6: RYAA (£48.75 in chips)
Seat 7: 2gud4u (£200.16 in chips)
Seat 8: Action002 (£353 in chips)
Seat 9: KingKong (£195.50 in chips)
Seat 10: Smiffy44 (£233.50 in chips)
Panda63: posts small blind £1
Ljulik: posts big blind £2
Vas170810: posts big blind £2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [5s 7h]
Vas170810: checks
Faisa0103: folds
RYAA: folds
2gud4u: folds
Action002: calls £2
KingKong: folds
Smiffy44: calls £2
Panda63: folds
Ljulik: checks
----- FLOP ----- [4c 6h Kh]
Ljulik: bets £6
Vas170810: calls £6
Action002: folds
Smiffy44: calls £6
----- TURN ----- [4c 6h Kh][6s]
Ljulik: checks
Vas170810: bets £16
Smiffy44: raises to £37
Ljulik: folds
Vas170810: folds
Returned uncalled bets £21 to Smiffy44
Smiffy44: doesn't show hand
Smiffy44 collected £56.25 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £59 Main pot £56.25 Rake £2.75
Board [4c 6h Kh 6s]
Seat 2: Panda63 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ljulik (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Vas170810 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Faisa0103 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: RYAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 2gud4u folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Action002 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: KingKong folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Smiffy44 (button) collected £56.25

or else, spew...

Easy to be narrow minded here, but we all put opponents to ranges and with practise learn the range they're willing to fold beyond the flop.

Ever noticed how often we raise a turned flush in position heads up, the opponent calls but is unwilling to call a river push? There is value here and in other spots crying out to be exploited. It doesn't work when we misjudge our opponents but the odd mistake makes for good metagame and we play our big hands roughly the same way.

at 100nl we gain so much more from simply playing our hands as close to prefectly as we can versus what are still essentially bad opponents than we do from making any fancy plays/doing anything remotly 'non-standard'

i guess i see the point OP is making, but i cant help but think its -EV those times you get called and busted off a crap hand by sets, etc.

do you get called often enough to justify the medium pots you are stealing?

it would be a good experiment to prove this method is long-term profitable.

you do this against me, or the table, about 3 times in a short span, and i go into trap the maniac mode. and if/when i get the cards, you spend yourself into oblivion rather quickly to a point you cannot avoid being stacked. or i play back at you once, and show you MY bluff, if i dont get the cards soon enough.

This is brilliant stuff, excellent thinking, but I'm not gonna try it until I'm better at hand reading because it'll turn into spew. This is a brilliant concept though, and something I have a feeling that the high stakes bunch (esp. gabe from what I read of this processes) use a lot.

with the exception of the last hand, I like them all

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or else, spew...

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Miffed these are all good, with the exception of one or two, and they are great examples of spots that are good to bluff in.You may want to work on some of the bet sizing but these all represent the deeper thinking you need to use to truly pwn opponents.
GJ

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do you get called often enough to justify the medium pots you are stealing?
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The most important thing about this play is the opponent. There are many opps at 100 and 200NL who play solid but unimaginative. They have a basic knowledge of the game, know mostly when they're behind, and can generally make sensible laydowns. they like to put out block bets designed specifically to be 'move-proof' and so are happy to fold if raised. These guys are handpicked as not to stick around OOP with lukewarm hands.

The last hand is an example of where it can go wrong. It came down to the texture, a good read and some intuition that I did actually have FE rather than blindly snapping off a semi bluff just because I have outs. Not to say it isn't worth trying in a multiway pot because sometimes it's more convincing that way.

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There are many opps at 100 and 200NL who play solid but unimaginative.

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In one hand the guy leads, you raise and he calls, and then he leads the turn and folds to a raise. How is that not a little out of the box?

I can't envision this working without 1) getting donkeys calling you down, which nearly every player will qualify for at that limit and 2) getting good players starting to call you down with TPNK and the like once they see you show one down.

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donkeys calling you down, which nearly every player will qualify for at that limit

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I friggin wish! I should say the whole point of this exercise was adapting to the type of player manifesting itself on crypto specifically. if there are so many donkeys at 100 and 200 nl on stars, i'm looking forward to moving there already and can get back to my ABC game.

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2) getting good players starting to call you down with TPNK and the like once they see you show one down.

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again maybe it's a crypto thing. the opponents there generally know what balance is, but if a table full of donks isnt a forgotten concept elsewhere then i can't wait to take advantage..

I prefer to make this move with outs, to protect against the crying calls.

Also, I would say that beginners should not underestimate the difficulty of decifering this read that tells you "I can force a fold with a big bet" from the read that says "he's strong and might be willing to see a card". Without doing the math, I'd say you'd need to be right quite often to make this a better play than standard TAG.

I think it's a good advanced tactic if you've logged a lot of hands against a player and/or take good notes, AND if you are willing to accept more variance.

No previous read but the texture seemed right. how often is he calling? how much can we assume solely considering the factors he's a big stack, the time he's taking in the hand, he just calls the turn check raise? Can we gather enough evidence from these factors alone to make big looking plays against unknown types +EV?

Most important- i'm pretty sure he has no read on me. Hypothesis: River bets after strength shown previously look scary and reduce his calling range, he has no idea how I like to play my big hands.

Game #3982467403: Hold'em NL (£1/£2) - 2007/05/05 - 18:44:41 (UK)
Table "Taunton" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: Smiffy44 (£190 in chips)
Seat 2: rednesh (£381.76 in chips)
Seat 3: bananamoz (£222.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Redelijah (£130 in chips)
Seat 5: stormwind (£421.17 in chips)
Seat 6: Rodeo1 (£161.25 in chips)
Seat 7: acehigh (£229.75 in chips)
Seat 9: determine (£184.50 in chips)
acehigh: posts small blind £1
determine: posts big blind £2
Smiffy44: posts big blind £2 + posts small blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [6s 5h]
Smiffy44: checks
felipe123 joins the table at seat #8
rednesh: folds
bananamoz: folds
Redelijah: folds
stormwind: calls £2
Rodeo1: folds
acehigh: folds
determine: checks
----- FLOP ----- [Qc 5d 8s]
determine: checks
Smiffy44: bets £5
stormwind: calls £5
determine: folds
----- TURN ----- [Qc 5d 8s][Td]
Smiffy44: checks
stormwind: bets £8
Smiffy44: raises to £24
stormwind: calls £16
----- RIVER ----- [Qc 5d 8s Td][2d]
Smiffy44: bets £45

This last hand is a spew. Trust me im the master at spews, and this is what i call "setting up a bluff" which just doesnt work. Obviously your turn raise on its own sucks because opps call range is big, but if u throw in the river ur turn raise becomes decent.
I'd only do this with a draw, and maybe not even then because this is such a pushy board for opp.


What you've found out is pretty much what i found out at 200NL and 100NL, you can bluff at a much higher frequency than should normally be allowable because the players are nitty and aren't thinking. Even those that are thinking you will soon learn to out think if you keep your imagination up.

This is the kinda shit that should be appreciated and praised. pantherhound is TRYING something. He's being IMAGINITIVE, he's moving past "should I call or fold." This is the kind of stuff all you players should be thinking about. Maybe not necessarily taking these exact lines, but learning how to think BEYOND your opponents, to DISCOVER your opponents, so you can thouroughly pwn them.

from what i looked at, doing this often is just spewing tbh.

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This last hand is a spew. .

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agreed, I've been thinking about it and it sucked. I was trying to move him off Qx and he folded but opp calls too often here. General feel told me he wasn't totally happy with his hand but this doesn't equate to him not making a crying/stubborn/tilted river call.

i might play a set like this bluff, sometimes.

So far I've made about 20 medium pot moves on specific opponents with pure bluffs and the odd semi bluff, and 4 failed. of those 4, 1 was kind of the wrong spot and 3 were probably the wrong opponents. so even though I've been trying to target specific opponents it's always possible to misjudge them

its not just that.

this is a board where tons of hands call because its drawy, a bunch of fd's, JT, QJ, Q9, blah blah blah, it's just not worth it cuz there are a billion cards that make a three barrel tough.

And an extension to what ISF is saying is that if you want to play your draws and sets remotely aggressively one these boards, then bluffing with nothing will mean you are being overly aggressive on textured flops. People will start to notice and that will put you in a tough spot since you wont know who is paying attention and who isnt.

But the players I target still aren't willing to play bigball even if they do notice. They just don't have the stones. The following example involves a very detailed read. i even know that he knows exactly how I play and has tilted vs me before. Even with this in mind this player is never willing to push back on the turn. the actual bluff is a classic flush rep which is very plausible because he knows I raise any two from there frequently, hence calling his reraise.

The only problem here is that I would like to shove the river if he calls the turn raise, but we don't have enough behind for him to be able to fold. which brings me onto the next point- Who likes a minraise on the turn? This way we still have FE but can push most rivers if he calls because he then has enough behind to fold.

Game #3990542103: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/05/06 - 14:57:51 (UK)
Table "TampTamp" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: felipe123 ($237.50 in chips)
Seat 2: FloppyDuc ($161.50 in chips)
Seat 3: mam_76 ($401.75 in chips)
Seat 4: MBpoker ($216 in chips)
Seat 5: Smiffy44 ($201.75 in chips)
Seat 6: determine ($94 in chips)
Seat 7: Ste181118 ($214.25 in chips)
Seat 9: bananamoz ($200 in chips)
Seat 10: fudgy123 ($193 in chips)
stormwind joins the table at seat #8
Ste181118: posts small blind $1
stormwind: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [Ac 7s]
bananamoz: folds
fudgy123: folds
felipe123: folds
FloppyDuc: folds
mam_76: folds
MBpoker: folds
Smiffy44: raises to $6
determine: folds
Ste181118: raises to $12
stormwind: folds
Smiffy44: calls $6
----- FLOP ----- [2d Ts 7d]
Ste181118: bets $22
Smiffy44: calls $22
----- TURN ----- [2d Ts 7d][6d]
Ste181118: bets $30
Smiffy44: raises to $90
Ste181118: folds
Returned uncalled bets $60 to Smiffy44
Smiffy44: doesn't show hand
Smiffy44 collected $127 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $130 Main pot $127 Rake $3
Board [2d Ts 7d 6d]
Seat 1: felipe123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: FloppyDuc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mam_76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MBpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Smiffy44 collected $127
Seat 6: determine (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ste181118 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: stormwind (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bananamoz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: fudgy123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Another spew.

ISF's rule of how not to spew. 1st rule is.
1. Never Bluff in a three bet pot. I say never but i mean rarely, but the point is this isn't one of those spots, and most spots that involve bluffing is shoving the flop.

You have to realize ur raise on the turn is completely pointless, the only hand your folding out are ones u are already beating.

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Another spew.

ISF's rule of how not to spew. 1st rule is.
1. Never Bluff in a three bet pot. I say never but i mean rarely, but the point is this isn't one of those spots, and most spots that involve bluffing is shoving the flop.

You have to realize ur raise on the turn is completely pointless, the only hand your folding out are ones u are already beating.

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wtf? that isn't a three way pot. And this guy is folding AA-JJ, AT etc, every time. He'd have to be a total donk to not be able to see the dangers on this board, and I think I'd have known if he was...

get solid reads and solid ranges

I think you're calling a lot of these hands bluffing, which they are. But I feel like most of these hands are more floating in position. Which I think is definitely good. I don't like the one's where you tried the plays OOP however. Position is key to all of these.

As for the last hand, and what ISF said, it IS a three bet pot

Smiffy44: raises to $6
determine: folds
Ste181118: raises to $12 <-- three bet

But once again, that hand isn't a bluff. You have a hand here, but you're just floating him in position, and repping the flush.

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Originally Posted by pantherhound

But the players I target still aren't willing to play bigball even if they do notice. They just don't have the stones. The following example involves a very detailed read. i even know that he knows exactly how I play and has tilted vs me before. Even with this in mind this player is never willing to push back on the turn. the actual bluff is a classic flush rep which is very plausible because he knows I raise any two from there frequently, hence calling his reraise.

The only problem here is that I would like to shove the river if he calls the turn raise, but we don't have enough behind for him to be able to fold. which brings me onto the next point- Who likes a minraise on the turn? This way we still have FE but can push most rivers if he calls because he then has enough behind to fold.

Game #3990542103: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/05/06 - 14:57:51 (UK)
Table "TampTamp" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: felipe123 ($237.50 in chips)
Seat 2: FloppyDuc ($161.50 in chips)
Seat 3: mam_76 ($401.75 in chips)
Seat 4: MBpoker ($216 in chips)
Seat 5: Smiffy44 ($201.75 in chips)
Seat 6: determine ($94 in chips)
Seat 7: Ste181118 ($214.25 in chips)
Seat 9: bananamoz ($200 in chips)
Seat 10: fudgy123 ($193 in chips)
stormwind joins the table at seat #8
Ste181118: posts small blind $1
stormwind: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [Ac 7s]
bananamoz: folds
fudgy123: folds
felipe123: folds
FloppyDuc: folds
mam_76: folds
MBpoker: folds
Smiffy44: raises to $6
determine: folds
Ste181118: raises to $12
stormwind: folds
Smiffy44: calls $6
----- FLOP ----- [2d Ts 7d]
Ste181118: bets $22
Smiffy44: calls $22
----- TURN ----- [2d Ts 7d][6d]
Ste181118: bets $30
Smiffy44: raises to $90
Ste181118: folds
Returned uncalled bets $60 to Smiffy44
Smiffy44: doesn't show hand
Smiffy44 collected $127 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $130 Main pot $127 Rake $3
Board [2d Ts 7d 6d]
Seat 1: felipe123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: FloppyDuc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mam_76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MBpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Smiffy44 collected $127
Seat 6: determine (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ste181118 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: stormwind (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bananamoz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: fudgy123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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This is shithouse because you're not folding out JJ here, and definitely not if one of the Js is on suit. Playing like that he has to have AK or AQ and probably no diamond. Plus the turn raise sux because you were beating those hands already, but if AK with the A diamond comes over the top of you what are you gonna do? Your best value attempt is calling and seeing a showdown. If you have A8 this becomes defensible, but then I can't justify calling the flop. Perhaps if I had 9J for a gutshot on the flop and called it I'd like the turn raise.

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Originally Posted by pantherhound

But the players I target still aren't willing to play bigball even if they do notice. They just don't have the stones. The following example involves a very detailed read. i even know that he knows exactly how I play and has tilted vs me before. Even with this in mind this player is never willing to push back on the turn. the actual bluff is a classic flush rep which is very plausible because he knows I raise any two from there frequently, hence calling his reraise.

The only problem here is that I would like to shove the river if he calls the turn raise, but we don't have enough behind for him to be able to fold. which brings me onto the next point- Who likes a minraise on the turn? This way we still have FE but can push most rivers if he calls because he then has enough behind to fold.

Game #3990542103: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/05/06 - 14:57:51 (UK)
Table "TampTamp" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: felipe123 ($237.50 in chips)
Seat 2: FloppyDuc ($161.50 in chips)
Seat 3: mam_76 ($401.75 in chips)
Seat 4: MBpoker ($216 in chips)
Seat 5: Smiffy44 ($201.75 in chips)
Seat 6: determine ($94 in chips)
Seat 7: Ste181118 ($214.25 in chips)
Seat 9: bananamoz ($200 in chips)
Seat 10: fudgy123 ($193 in chips)
stormwind joins the table at seat #8
Ste181118: posts small blind $1
stormwind: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [Ac 7s]
bananamoz: folds
fudgy123: folds
felipe123: folds
FloppyDuc: folds
mam_76: folds
MBpoker: folds
Smiffy44: raises to $6
determine: folds
Ste181118: raises to $12
stormwind: folds
Smiffy44: calls $6
----- FLOP ----- [2d Ts 7d]
Ste181118: bets $22
Smiffy44: calls $22
----- TURN ----- [2d Ts 7d][6d]
Ste181118: bets $30
Smiffy44: raises to $90
Ste181118: folds
Returned uncalled bets $60 to Smiffy44
Smiffy44: doesn't show hand
Smiffy44 collected $127 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $130 Main pot $127 Rake $3
Board [2d Ts 7d 6d]
Seat 1: felipe123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: FloppyDuc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mam_76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MBpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Smiffy44 collected $127
Seat 6: determine (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ste181118 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: stormwind (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bananamoz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: fudgy123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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This is shithouse because I just don't think anyone folds JJ+ there with your image. Playing like that he has to have AK or AQ and probably no diamond.

But I'll assume your read is right; what if one of the Js is on suit he'll probably shove it. If you're gonna fold to a shove then the turn raise REALLY sux because if AK with the A diamond comes over the top of you what are you gonna do? Your best value attempt is calling and seeing a showdown. If you have A8 this becomes defensible, but then I can't justify calling the flop. Perhaps if I had 9J for a gutshot on the flop and called it I'd like the turn raise.

What you're saying is "I think he's so tightshit he'll probably fold KK with one diamond and definitely AK with one diamond" but I just can't see this being the case

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Another spew.

ISF's rule of how not to spew. 1st rule is.
1. Never Bluff in a three bet pot. I say never but i mean rarely, but the point is this isn't one of those spots, and most spots that involve bluffing is shoving the flop.

You have to realize ur raise on the turn is completely pointless, the only hand your folding out are ones u are already beating.

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wtf? that isn't a three way pot. And this guy is folding AA-JJ, AT etc, every time he doesnt have a diamond.

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FYP, okay go with the rebuttle.

Note im the local spewtard around here so acting like im a nit isn't a wise decision.
I applaud your thinking you just have to tone it down a bit with bluffing with no draw at all, not completely, but a bit.

Is this part of your image?

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Smiffy44: posts big blind £2 + posts small blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [6s 5h]
Smiffy44: checks

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:twisted: . j/k, nice post/thread.

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

Is this part of your image?

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Smiffy44: posts big blind £2 + posts small blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [6s 5h]
Smiffy44: checks

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:twisted: . j/k, nice post/thread.

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lol yes was going to point this out too, wtf is this!

my bad thought you said don't bluff in a '3 way' pot not '3 bet' pot.

i think this hand came down to feel more than anything else.

Incidentally I've opened my stars account and this site is amazing! there are like 20 $100NL tables in play compared to crypto's 2! And so many donks! wtf have I been doing on crypto all my life??!!!

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Originally Posted by pantherhound

Incidentally I've opened my stars account and this site is amazing! there are like 20 $100NL tables in play compared to crypto's 2! And so many donks! wtf have I been doing on crypto all my life??!!!

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What's a crypto?

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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

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Originally Posted by pantherhound

Incidentally I've opened my stars account and this site is amazing! there are like 20 $100NL tables in play compared to crypto's 2! And so many donks! wtf have I been doing on crypto all my life??!!!

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What's a crypto?

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Interpoker, Sunpoker...it was my donkeyland before they banned Americans.