TPNK c/mraised on flop

Villain is 18/10/3.85, Hero has been active. Do we value bet this river?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($1224.30)
UTG ($822)
MP ($609)
Hero ($1350.42)
SB ($1089.59)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, Hero raises to $18, SB (poster) calls $15, 1 fold.

Flop: ($42) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $30, SB raises to $60, Hero calls $30.

Turn: ($162) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $122, Hero calls $122.

River: ($406) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, HalvSame...

Final Pot: $406

i probably fold flop, as played check.

i fold this. if you have been LAgging it up alot then maybe he is doing this w/ a K, but i think he shows up w/ a better Ace.

I would just check behind. His hand looks like A10.

Also I would probably never bet this flop unless I had sick history with villain and I thought I could go to war profitably w TPNK.

dont even think about betting unless its as a bluff.

Why are we even calling the flop minraise?
The only way i bet here is as a bluff.

think about the merits of the third option....

I did check behind. I guess I should have posted the hand up until his flop c/raise only. Do we really need two pair or better to continue against a flop c/minraise when we are obviously playing a wide range up on the button in these spots?

gabeezor, do u mean 3-bet flop?

im a sicko

stacks are kinda deep and villian is tight but probably doesn't have that strong of a hand given action and board, so a 3bet is good as a bluff

the thing is with 3 betting - it turns a hand with decent showdown value into a bluff.

also people who check minraise are usually very poor players who cant fold TP anyway.

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

the thing is with 3 betting - it turns a hand with decent showdown value into a bluff.

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yea thats the idea when we are probably behind anyway on the flop

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

also people who check minraise are usually very poor players who cant fold TP anyway.

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Granted, it isn't a check/mr but whatever.

POKERSTARS GAME #8924207795: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/03/16 - 00:30:53 (ET)
Table 'Honoria V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Renton555 ($1006 in chips)
Seat 2: DF_Newb ($428 in chips)
Seat 3: natdog100 ($523.05 in chips)
Seat 4: bcdigger ($243 in chips)
Seat 5: FoolMeTwice ($514.20 in chips)
Seat 6: ZenDoKai ($352.90 in chips)
DF_Newb: posts small blind $2
natdog100: posts big blind $4

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [4c 4s]

bcdigger: calls $4
FoolMeTwice: folds
ZenDoKai: folds
Renton555: raises $12 to $16
DF_Newb: folds
natdog100: raises $36 to $52
bcdigger: folds
Renton555: calls $36

*** FLOP *** [9c 2s 4h]

natdog100: bets $84
Renton555: raises $84 to $168
natdog100: raises $303.05 to $471.05 and is all-in
Renton555: calls $303.05

*** TURN *** [9c 2s 4h] [Ac]

*** RIVER *** [9c 2s 4h Ac] [Qs]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

natdog100: shows [As Th] (a pair of Aces)
Renton555: shows [4c 4s] (three of a kind, Fours)
Renton555 collected $1049.10 from pot

I love that baby

He's harmlessly creepy yet fascinating all at once.