Set over set, are you always paying it?

We've all experienced the pain of set over set. As an inexperienced cash game player, are you always paying it?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $15.35
MP1: $34.10
MP2: $37.55
MP3: $24.90
CO: $48.30
Button: $43.10
Hero: $65.95
BB: $1.90

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 8 :club: 8 :diamond:
UTG raises to $1.1, 6 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q :diamond: 8 :heart: A :club: ($2.45, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.8, Hero calls.

Turn: 5 :diamond: ($6.05, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG calls.

River: J :club: ($14.05, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG raises all-in $18.1, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $50.25
UTG showed Qc Qh
Hero mucks 8c 8d

up to 50nl you´re supposed to pay off over sets. since the average player will stack off w/ TPTK+ you need some kind of a monster read to let your set go. i might fold a set on a four flush board if stacks aren´t deep enough to draw to a boat. bottom set in a limped/weak raised pot, where the action explodes might be a spot to fold, too.

Most of the time you will see AQ do the same thing here. Laying it down on this board w/o a 3 flush or a 3 straight like T98 monotone is impossible at these limits

I know one thing, you def. have a set.

Yep, always paying it.

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Originally Posted by XTR1000

up to 100nl you´re supposed to pay off over sets.

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FYP, but you have the jist of it.

Here all the time. Villian could have AQ/AJ just as easily as could you.

I'd raise flop, check raise turn all in (and pay it off)

Edit - esp as he only has $15!!

no, here is one example where I was sure I was beat. I even typed 33 in the chat before folding.

** Game ID 1223716357 starting - 2007-02-24 00:29:45
** Chincerinchee [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- caso_ sitting in seat 1 with $744.00
- Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 2 with $936.47
- sebbe_09 sitting in seat 3 with $38.00 [Dealer]
- huggan sitting in seat 4 with $321.23
- dei sitting in seat 5 with $469.30

huggan posted the small blind - $2.00
dei posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: :3h:, :3s:
caso_ folded
Cocco_Bill called - $4.00
sebbe_09 raised - $12.00
huggan called - $12.00
dei called - $12.00
Cocco_Bill called - $12.00

** Dealing the flop: :5h:, :3c:, :Js:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill checked
sebbe_09 checked

** Dealing the turn: :2d:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill bet - $29.00
sebbe_09 went all-in - $26.00
huggan called - $29.00
dei called - $29.00

** Dealing the river: :2h:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill bet - $80.50
huggan folded
dei went all-in - $432.30
Cocco_Bill folded
dei shows: :2c:, :2s:
sebbe_09 mucks:

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Originally Posted by XTR1000

up to 500000000nl you´re supposed to pay off over sets.

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FYP

I don't know if the stakes really matter, but with 100 BB effective stacks I'm pretty much always paying off without an outstanding read.

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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

no, here is one example where I was sure I was beat. I even typed 33 in the chat before folding.

** Game ID 1223716357 starting - 2007-02-24 00:29:45
** Chincerinchee [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- caso_ sitting in seat 1 with $744.00
- Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 2 with $936.47
- sebbe_09 sitting in seat 3 with $38.00 [Dealer]
- huggan sitting in seat 4 with $321.23
- dei sitting in seat 5 with $469.30

huggan posted the small blind - $2.00
dei posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: :3h:, :3s:
caso_ folded
Cocco_Bill called - $4.00
sebbe_09 raised - $12.00
huggan called - $12.00
dei called - $12.00
Cocco_Bill called - $12.00

** Dealing the flop: :5h:, :3c:, :Js:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill checked
sebbe_09 checked

** Dealing the turn: :2d:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill bet - $29.00
sebbe_09 went all-in - $26.00
huggan called - $29.00
dei called - $29.00

** Dealing the river: :2h:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill bet - $80.50
huggan folded
dei went all-in - $432.30
Cocco_Bill folded
dei shows: :2c:, :2s:
sebbe_09 mucks:

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Sick

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Originally Posted by sejje

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Originally Posted by XTR1000

up to 500000000nl you´re supposed to pay off over sets.

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FYP

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not correct. Only campers think this.