optimal 6max strategy in very loose games

Hi!

I played a lot of NL20 in the last weeks and am doing quite well. But i am not quite sure which strategy will bring me the most profit in the long run. I have watched very many 6max videos and the majority of the people are playing a "tight out of position/ loose aggressive in postion" type of game, like they teach at cardrunners. I dont really know if you should play that way at NL20 because people will give you absolutly no credit for a hand. Is a typical TAG-game the best at these stakes ? How can you use your position to your advantage? Should I cbet much less than if i am playing against better opponents? Its really hard playing loose aggresive on the Button and Cutoff if the villians call raises and cbets with really marginal hands. Often you wake up with QTs, KJo, etc on the button with 2 or 3 limpers. I have the advantage of position but I dont really like raising to 6-7 BBs in this situation, because my cbets dont really work after the flop even if my opponents only have a gutshot-draw.

Do you think a winrate of 10ptbb/100 is possible at NL20 (ipoker) 6tabling in the longrun?
Those players are so bad:D

Thanks a lot

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Hi!
How can you use your position to your advantage? Should I cbet much less than if i am playing against better opponents? Its really hard playing loose aggresive on the Button and Cutoff if the villians call raises and cbets with really marginal hands. Often you wake up with QTs, KJo, etc on the button with 2 or 3 limpers. I have the advantage of position but I dont really like raising to 6-7 BBs in this situation, because my cbets dont really work after the flop even if my opponents only have a gutshot-draw.

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i'm an 100NL player, and i never played low stakes 6-max but i get what you are saying. On the BU you should definitely be raising a KJ or QTs with a lot of limpers, 4xBB +1BB for every limper. Definitely play looser in position.

With c-bets, just do it in really favorable situations when you have air. otherwise only do it with a hand. Play your monsters really fast.

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Do you think a winrate of 10ptbb/100 is possible at NL20

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yeah probably, you have to be pretty damn good though.

You have to be way better than ur level to run 10bb/100

I can comfidently say I beat 25NL for over 10bb/100 and play 28vpip/17pfr. It's all about knowing your oponenets and picking out the calling stations and the above average player for those levels. You have to be verry cautious as raises, check raises, and general aggressive play doesnt get the respect it should or that you would like but on the other hand, this is what makes it so profitable. I think the edge here is postflop play and putting people on hands, manipulating pots and using your position profuselly.

Thus said, having a "diluted" version of the cardrunners style makes for two things: 1)people start tightening up and give you to much respect and will avoid playing with you (wich is great to keep picking on them). 2)People try to play back at you in a game they cant win. I also think calling at these stakes is one of the worse errors someone can make, it should be raise or fold and call as a last resort. Knowing to let go of hands is also key and in relation with my calling comment.

Wow if you're running 28/17 and am making over 10ptBB/100 move up the levels as quickly as possible.
But as a word of caution, don't get to excited about your game. For the past two years I thought I was really good at poker and I'm ten times better now than I was then. Hear what I'm saying?

Trust me, I in NO way get overconfident about my game but I do work on it constantly. And as for moving up the stakes, I currently have moved up to 50NL where I have been running good over 16K hands (10.1BB/100), hoping to make it at least 50K hands and re-evaluate my game by then before giving 100NL a shot. I rather take my time and make sure i can keep this rate up over a fairly large database of hands before moving up even though I feel confident I can do well at the 100NL. Caution in both bankroll management and overall play is always +EV...lol

Also, I think running this High of a BB/100 return is unreasonable if multitabling more then 2-3 tables.

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people will give you absolutly no credit for a hand. Is a typical TAG-game the best at these stakes ?

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Against people who will give you no credit for a hand, a TAG-game is best at any stake.

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How can you use your position to your advantage?

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By playing more hands in position, and less hands out of position.
Position = information.
The more information you have, the easier you can make correct decisions.

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Should I cbet much less than if i am playing against better opponents?

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If better = tighter, then yes.

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Do you think a winrate of 10ptbb/100 is possible at NL20 (ipoker) 6tabling in the longrun?

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No question, but why would you want to do that?


I am not advocating that you should never bluff at 20NL. Even if the players are loose, they are not blind; they can see their hand and they see the bet in front of them. On the river you can basically represent anything (but flushes are especially good), because your bluffs don't have to make too much sense, and they often make it quite obvious that they're weak.

Ran 16/10, cleared about 10/100 at 10NL.