88 flop Str8/flush draw facing RR 25NL oh my

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01-09-2007, 05:25 PM
Da GOAT

88 flop Str8/flush draw facing RR 25NL oh my

can i get a line check on this? or maybe standard, i hope lol

Opp has previously shown a loose PFR range (mostly weak aces are showdown), postflop is a bit agg yet he c/bs and keeps firing $1 when he has air (or once with a draw and Ace high card). im not at table long but he seemed active preflop too.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($15.35)
MP3 ($9.25)
CO ($56.20)
Button ($6.45)
SB ($6.45)
BB ($24.10)
UTG ($30.45)
Hero ($28.55)
MP1 ($21.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.35) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $2.5, Button folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $28.3
01-09-2007, 06:43 PM
zook

I don't hate it, but I think a smaller raise has a better chance of keeping him on the hook. He isn't full-stacked, so I'm willing to felt this on the flop or turn, it's just a question of how to make sure he doesn't fold.
01-10-2007, 03:58 AM
Da GOAT

so if i was to just bet instead of shove id RR;

1-to $7 with him having $7 remaining
2- to $8 him having $6 remaining

i think unless ive a read that he is retarded (ie he will unknownly commit himself) am i better off not just shoving.

Unless of course your point is if he was full stacked then RR to $8 is goot. if he calls i shove turn if i miss, right??
01-10-2007, 12:17 PM
zook

Yeah, or even to $5. A read helps (is he willing to gamble with his shortstack?). Yes, if he calls a small raise, shove turn.
01-10-2007, 04:00 PM
martindcx1e

why would we want to get all in vs. a full stack?
01-10-2007, 06:25 PM
Da GOAT

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

why would we want to get all in vs. a full stack?

please explain. your thinking IF opp had a full stack here, right??

i wouldnt of shoved if he had a full stack, another RR by me then shove turn is what i think i would of done.
01-10-2007, 08:52 PM
martindcx1e

ya, if he had a full stack then why shove the turn after he calls your pretty strong re-raise on the flop?
01-10-2007, 08:59 PM
nutsinho

lol overvaluements

its barely justifiable to get all in vs 60bb stack, if u were dealing with a 100bb stack youd be in call reasonable bets mode unless you hit a miracle.
01-10-2007, 09:09 PM
Fnord

This is a great spot to let him bluff off a bunch of money.
01-10-2007, 10:07 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

lol overvaluements

its barely justifiable to get all in vs 60bb stack, if u were dealing with a 100bb stack youd be in call reasonable bets mode unless you hit a miracle.

agreed
01-11-2007, 04:52 AM
Da GOAT

im a bit confused with consensus here.

Martin,Nutsinho,Fnord-You guys rather call his flop RR and call reasonable bets,ami right?

Zook-rather RR opp RR on flop,shove turn, ok?

i thought since my draw and pair is strong hand then i can play agg here. against a bad loose agg player tho maybe i can let him hang himself therefore i get more chips this way.
01-11-2007, 11:00 AM
zook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

Zook-rather RR opp RR on flop,shove turn, ok?

Sure.
01-11-2007, 11:16 AM
Renton

threebetting this flop is bad. Your straight isn't payable when u hit, your flush probably isn't good when u hit, your top set probably isn't good when u hit, and your hand probably isn't currently the best anyway.

I wouldn't even count this as a str8 and flush draw tbh.
01-11-2007, 01:52 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

i thought since my draw and pair is strong...

it's not really that strong though
01-11-2007, 02:02 PM
Da GOAT

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

i thought since my draw and pair is strong...

it's not really that strong though

i think revision must be made of my play here (plus the similiar post recently helps)

Martin as played WWYD??

WWYD against full stack?

if you dont mind just summing up
01-11-2007, 02:11 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

Martin as played WWYD??

WWYD against full stack?

if you dont mind just summing up

as played i'd call and try to get as cheap a showdown as possible. i really don't want to pay off 60BB's with this hand. if villain put in a real raise on the flop i'd prob just fold right there. also, vs. a full stack i'd be playing the same way. remember that one card draws (as in your draw only includes 1 of your cards) are usually pretty weak hands. you have the weakest overpair and 2 one card draws. it's not really a hand to get excited about.

EDIT: Just a little side observation of mine...I think it's funny how many players will give absolutely no credit to a player having flopped a flush but will slow down like they ran into a wall if the 3rd flush card comes on the turn/river rather than on the flop. There's still the same chance that those donkeys are playing their beloved suited cards.