The Answer to my problems

Hello, first post this. Just like to say I've stumbled upon FTR whilst browsing at work and already have picked up some extremely useful advice from all the contributors so thanks immensely. I'm a member at PocketFives aswell but this seems to be much more co-ordinated to my poker needs. Anyway I've been playing for approx 8 months with varied success, having won several small buy in 45/50 sit n gos and a 2nd in a small buy in $3 MTT, plus I managed to satellite into the Party Million and won $438 for about a $3 outlay, however my cash game sucks pretty much lost everything i've won elsewhere playing ring. I'm now back playing ring and thanks to Renton's article mainly and others in the sticky section here i've made $3o in two hours at 10nl, so let the good times roll. Posted a couple of HH below as these were close calls/plays any advice with them, I won both times but felt I misplayed the first one.


#Game No : 5523874088
***** Hand History for Game 5523874088 *****
$10 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 22, 05:20:14 ET 2006
Table Table 126069 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 3: madpow1 ( $10.17 )
Seat 8: richardskeen ( $19.20 )
Seat 9: sorceron ( $19.55 )
Seat 1: AtomShell ( $6.08 )
Seat 7: o0FELIX0o ( $6.20 )
Seat 5: aga_zur ( $8.05 )
Seat 10: Szlilla ( $2 )
Szlilla posts small blind [$0.05].
AtomShell posts big blind [$0.10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to richardskeen [ Td Th ]
madpow1 folds
aga_zur folds
>You have options at Regular (893738) Table #12 Table!.
o0FELIX0o raises [$0.40]
richardskeen calls [$0.40]
sorceron folds
Szlilla folds
AtomShell calls [$0.30]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Jh, 5h ]
AtomShell checks
o0FELIX0o bets [$1]
richardskeen raises [$3.52]
AtomShell folds
o0FELIX0o is all-In [$4.80]
richardskeen calls [$2.28]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
richardskeen shows [ Td, Th ]a full house, Tens full of Jacks.
o0FELIX0o doesn't show [ Ks, Js ]three of a kind, Jacks.
richardskeen wins $12.25 from the main pot with a full house, Tens full of Jacks.
Game #5523875186 starts.

#Game No : 5523875186
***** Hand History for Game 5523875186 *****
$10 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 22, 05:21:08 ET 2006
Table Table 126069 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 3: madpow1 ( $10.17 )
Seat 8: richardskeen ( $25.25 )
Seat 9: sorceron ( $19.55 )
Seat 1: AtomShell ( $5.68 )
Seat 7: o0FELIX0o ( $0 )
Seat 5: aga_zur ( $8.05 )
Seat 10: Szlilla ( $1.95 )
AtomShell posts small blind [$0.05].
madpow1 posts big blind [$0.10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to richardskeen [ Qc Qh ]
aga_zur folds
richardskeen raises [$0.55]
o0FELIX0o: so lucky
sorceron folds
Szlilla folds
AtomShell calls [$0.50]
>You have options at Regular (893738) Table #12 Table!.
madpow1 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, Td, 6d ]
AtomShell bets [$1.80]
richardskeen raises [$3.60]
AtomShell is all-In [$3.33]
richardskeen calls [$1.53]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
richardskeen shows [ Qc, Qh ]two pairs, Queens and Threes.
AtomShell doesn't show [ Jd, Kh ]two pairs, Jacks and Threes.
richardskeen wins $10.91 from the main pot with two pairs, Queens and Threes.
aga_zur has left the table.
Game #5523875867 starts.

First hand seems like a pretty bad bet to me if not for the turn card...you really were beat there but hey...it worked out.

Welcome!

Hand one:
I would play pocket 10's for set value. Youve gotta think what he could be raising with. Theres alot more hands that beat you, opposed to not beating you. Lets chart it. I think a low PP is out of the picture, most people limp with low PP's, and he raised 4xBB. Take alook.

Raising Hands That Beat You:
A-A
K-K
Q-Q
A-J (at low stakes people will raise with this)
K-J (same as above)
J-J

Raising Hands You've Got Beat:
A-K
A-Q
9-9 possibly

But then again people will raise lower PP in lower limits. I think what im trying to say is i would fold. Calling would be stupid because you would just let him see another card if he DOES have A-K or A-Q. Raising is an option if you think he has A-K or A-Q. Not to mention its a 3-way pot, and the guy out of position checked, then the other guy bets 1 dollar. The guy that checked could be checking a monster. If you think you have the best hand dont raise so much. The call pre-flop was fine, but youve got to be willing to fold. Pretty much all you can beat is a bluff, A-K, and A-Q. Thats my two sense.

Hand Two:
I like the over-bet here pre-flop. You just got lucky and people think youre getting cocky. I think you played hand 2 great considering what happened proir. If it hadent of happened Id lean towards a 3xBB raise.

Good Luck and just learn from mistakes. And dont get down if you play a hand right and get a bad-beat. Its Part of poker!

At these stakes, is there anyway we can reraise the first hand seeing as we're in the CO position?
The way it was played, I think you have to fold to the flop bet.

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Originally Posted by Trashcona

At these stakes, is there anyway we can reraise the first hand seeing as we're in the CO position?
The way it was played, I think you have to fold to the flop bet.

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Yes or you could try to raise the button and try and take it down right there. Lets look at EV (EV = Expected Value-The long term effect of making certain decisions. Can be either negative or positive) Lets say you raise to $1 and everyone folds you just won Less than a dollar. Now on the flip-side you raise and someone calls. What do you do if a face card comes and the guy in EP bets??? You cant call, he raised pre-flop. So its either win a little or lose alot. That has a Negative EV. If you just call, and play for a set your EV is positive. If you call you may win alot or lose a little... Therefore it has a positive EV, which makes it a better play.

If no one raised pre-flop it would be a diffrent story, but there was a raise. Also its alot easier to play the hand for a set. You need to have some pretty good pre-flop skills to play 10s after a board like K-J-6. So i think in this situation a call pre-flop is the best play.

Cheers for the advice, first hand i played badly but got lucky, in hindsight I should re-raised preflop. His raise with KJ was a little dodgy therefore raising to isolate could have worked, fact is a lot of ppl at this level seem to play any two paints from anywhere, i'd actually put him on a range that beat me so not really sure why i played it aggressively still it worked out okay. Thanks again, the playing for sets worked a treat earlier when I caught a set of 6s to a raise of approx $1 from a fish overvaluing Queens worked out to about $20 which at this level is nice. Would ppl treat Tens and Jacks same way as you would like Sixes or play them slightly stronger. I think i'd tend to play them more aggressive but this may be a flaw in my game.

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Originally Posted by Skeeno

Cheers for the advice, first hand i played badly but got lucky, in hindsight I should re-raised preflop. His raise with KJ was a little dodgy therefore raising to isolate could have worked, fact is a lot of ppl at this level seem to play any two paints from anywhere, i'd actually put him on a range that beat me so not really sure why i played it aggressively still it worked out okay. Thanks again, the playing for sets worked a treat earlier when I caught a set of 6s to a raise of approx $1 from a fish overvaluing Queens worked out to about $20 which at this level is nice. Would ppl treat Tens and Jacks same way as you would like Sixes or play them slightly stronger. I think i'd tend to play them more aggressive but this may be a flaw in my game.

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Yes. It worked out, just learn from it and move on. If you raise the raiser just be ready to lay it down. All you need to take from this is, if the same thing happens again will you play it diffrent? Your not gonna get them to fold the sucker hands K-J, A-J any 2 face cards.

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Originally Posted by Slash

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Originally Posted by Skeeno

Cheers for the advice, first hand i played badly but got lucky, in hindsight I should re-raised preflop. His raise with KJ was a little dodgy therefore raising to isolate could have worked, fact is a lot of ppl at this level seem to play any two paints from anywhere, i'd actually put him on a range that beat me so not really sure why i played it aggressively still it worked out okay. Thanks again, the playing for sets worked a treat earlier when I caught a set of 6s to a raise of approx $1 from a fish overvaluing Queens worked out to about $20 which at this level is nice. Would ppl treat Tens and Jacks same way as you would like Sixes or play them slightly stronger. I think i'd tend to play them more aggressive but this may be a flaw in my game.

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Yes. It worked out, just learn from it and move on. If you raise the raiser just be ready to lay it down. All you need to take from this is, if the same thing happens again will you play it diffrent? Your not gonna get them to fold the sucker hands K-J, A-J any 2 face cards.

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Yeah, no matter how you play it preflop, you have to know when to fold it after the flop. At these stakes, like Slash says people don't know how to fold the sucker hands. Preflop you played it well but you have to know when you're behind post flop and let it go.

This hand must be raised preflop. The main reason is that the initial raiser does not have a big enough stack for you to play only for set value. At a 7 handed table, TT is an extremely strong hand. Nearly as strong as having QQ at a full table. It's best to get this heads up or take the pot down preflop. As a side note, it is reasonable to just call if the blinds are very loose when calling raises. But again, the blinds have small stacks, and if you are going to encourage a multiway pot, you probably won't make enough with your sets to make up for the times you have to fold because an over card comes in a multiway pot.

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Originally Posted by Xanadu

This hand must be raised preflop. The main reason is that the initial raiser does not have a big enough stack for you to play only for set value. At a 7 handed table, TT is an extremely strong hand. Nearly as strong as having QQ at a full table. It's best to get this heads up or take the pot down preflop. As a side note, it is reasonable to just call if the blinds are very loose when calling raises. But again, the blinds have small stacks, and if you are going to encourage a multiway pot, you probably won't make enough with your sets to make up for the times you have to fold because an over card comes in a multiway pot.

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Your Right, didnt realize he had so much money there. I got so busy typing I forgot to look at basic things.

I don't mind our hero applying pressure after the flop with TT. He made a choice that he was ahead and went with it. It's better than thinking you're ahead and just calling with fold equity to be had.

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Originally Posted by Rondavu

I don't mind our hero applying pressure after the flop with TT. He made a choice that he was ahead and went with it. It's better than thinking you're ahead and just calling with fold equity to be had.

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This is read dependant though is it not? If villain is an unknown then I think we have to fold. If he's been c-betting all day long then I guess we have a decision to make, but I think I'd still fold in this position at these stakes.

Thanks all, looking back I should have raised pre to around $1.20 then if he called or re-raised then I'd have a better idea if paints appear.

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Originally Posted by Rondavu

It's better than thinking you're ahead and just calling with fold equity to be had.

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There arent many (any?) better hands that fold here. Plenty of worse hands will fold though. The only benifit to raising is that you shut out AK and AQ.

Similar sort of hand yesterday, I would have folded if the ten didn't on the turn.

#Game No : 5530615220
***** Hand History for Game 5530615220 *****
$10 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, December 24, 18:30:39 ET 2006
Table Table 126106 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 6: olivrcigaro ( $26.87 )
Seat 7: AAKINGQUEEN ( $8.70 )
Seat 9: franknr1 ( $7.48 )
Seat 2: richardskeen ( $10.85 )
Seat 5: REMAboy ( $9.55 )
REMAboy posts small blind [$0.05].
olivrcigaro posts big blind [$0.10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to richardskeen [ Td Ts ]
AAKINGQUEEN folds
franknr1 folds
richardskeen raises [$0.40]
REMAboy folds
olivrcigaro calls [$0.30]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 4d, Ac ]
olivrcigaro checks
richardskeen bets [$0.60]
olivrcigaro raises [$1.20]
richardskeen calls [$0.60]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
olivrcigaro is all-In [$25.27]
richardskeen is all-In [$9.25]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
olivrcigaro shows [ Ks, Ah ]a pair of Aces.
richardskeen shows [ Td, Ts ]three of a kind, Tens.
olivrcigaro wins $16.02 from side pot #1 with a pair of Aces.
richardskeen wins $20.70 from the main pot with three of a kind, Tens.
Game #5530616731 starts.

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Originally Posted by Skeeno

Similar sort of hand yesterday, I would have folded if the ten didn't on the turn.

#Game No : 5530615220
***** Hand History for Game 5530615220 *****
$10 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, December 24, 18:30:39 ET 2006
Table Table 126106 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 6: olivrcigaro ( $26.87 )
Seat 7: AAKINGQUEEN ( $8.70 )
Seat 9: franknr1 ( $7.48 )
Seat 2: richardskeen ( $10.85 )
Seat 5: REMAboy ( $9.55 )
REMAboy posts small blind [$0.05].
olivrcigaro posts big blind [$0.10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to richardskeen [ Td Ts ]
AAKINGQUEEN folds
franknr1 folds
richardskeen raises [$0.40]
REMAboy folds
olivrcigaro calls [$0.30]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 4d, Ac ]
olivrcigaro checks
richardskeen bets [$0.60]
olivrcigaro raises [$1.20]
richardskeen calls [$0.60]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
olivrcigaro is all-In [$25.27]
richardskeen is all-In [$9.25]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
olivrcigaro shows [ Ks, Ah ]a pair of Aces.
richardskeen shows [ Td, Ts ]three of a kind, Tens.
olivrcigaro wins $16.02 from side pot #1 with a pair of Aces.
richardskeen wins $20.70 from the main pot with three of a kind, Tens.
Game #5530616731 starts.

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probably would have laid down the re-raise on the flop, dont know why he was smoothcalling preflop with ak, i probably would have put him on ace rag and assumed i was beat, good hand though