I'm ahead, but don't want to bet

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11-09-2006, 10:46 PM
bigslikk

I'm ahead, but don't want to bet

Ok here's the scenario

Hero: KTo in BB

MP raises to 3x BB
some callers, i call, some limpers call

5 way multiway-

Flop: KQT
-i'm pretty damn certain i'm ahead- (these are mega donks who limp w/ crap all the time)
Hero v. calling stations- do you lead this one? J, Q, 9, or A comes and my hand is crap.

BTW hand history: J comes on turn, AT, 89, and AQ go to war (dunno bout 5th guy).

Really, i felt like if i tried to blast them out, i'd just get 4 callers and a 70% + chance to lose a lot of money. In the hand, i checked, called a minbet, saw the J and bailed.
11-09-2006, 11:56 PM
NLHE lahooozaher

Very well played. You sound like an expert and are surely not results oriented at all.
11-09-2006, 11:57 PM
dpe8598

Re: I'm ahead, but don't want to bet

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Originally Posted by bigslikk

Ok here's the scenario

Hero: KTo in BB

MP raises to 3x BB
some callers, i call, some limpers call

5 way multiway-

Flop: KQT
-i'm pretty damn certain i'm ahead- (these are mega donks who limp w/ crap all the time)
Hero v. calling stations- do you lead this one? J, Q, 9, or A comes and my hand is crap.

BTW hand history: J comes on turn, AT, 89, and AQ go to war (dunno bout 5th guy).

Really, i felt like if i tried to blast them out, i'd just get 4 callers and a 70% + chance to lose a lot of money. In the hand, i checked, called a minbet, saw the J and bailed.

This is why I hate playing super weak nutt peddling poker. You end up in these situations w/ decent hands but deep fields, which is an awful place to be.

Start taking some advice on this forum and start playing stronger poker, raising a lot from position more w/ decent hands and stop limping OOP if possible.
11-10-2006, 12:53 AM
bigspenda73

Re: I'm ahead, but don't want to bet

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Originally Posted by bigslikk

Really, i felt like a pussy, i'd just get 4 callers and a 70% + chance to win a lot of money. In the hand, i checked, called a minbet, let them see the J and lost all value on my hand.

FYP

BTW who is calling a raise w/ KTo OOP?
11-10-2006, 01:00 AM
TerryToma

ive been working on my 2 pair a lot. in a situation like that if you bet the pot, many different draws will call. And if a scare card comes on the turn then you are in trouble. I prefer to check that flop a lot, with a possibility of a check raise, or check-call, lead blank flop. Betting on the turn you can give bad odds, and a lot of money is made on a turn bet if the turn is a blank. Many of the draws will still call.
11-10-2006, 02:40 AM
Anosmic

Re: I'm ahead, but don't want to bet

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Originally Posted by bigslikk

Really, i felt like if i tried to blast them out, i'd just get 4 callers and a 70% + chance to lose a lot of money. In the hand, i checked, called a minbet, saw the J and bailed.

4 callers + 30% chance = push.
11-10-2006, 03:22 AM
martindcx1e

We should not be checking flops b/c "we know they're going to call anyways." If you know ppl will call with a draw, and you don't bet your strong made hand then how do you make any money in poker? Bet and make them make a mistake in calling with improper odds. Most of the time those scare cards will not fall. If they do fall then oh well...get over it and move on. You don't win consistently with 2pair by being passive or by giving up. BET THE FLOP.
11-10-2006, 08:23 AM
AHiltz

To me this almost sounds like you're playing at a level that you're not comfortable with. Say you're playing 100NL but should be playing 50NL. You are losing value by not betting here
11-10-2006, 09:08 AM
Renton

bet the flop nigga
11-10-2006, 09:49 AM
Miffed22001

Re: I'm ahead, but don't want to bet

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

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Originally Posted by bigslikk

Really, i felt like a pussy, i'd just get 4 callers and a 70% + chance to win a lot of money. In the hand, i checked, called a minbet, let them see the J and lost all value on my hand.

FYP

BTW who is calling a raise w/ KTo OOP?

if there is a raise and 3 callers, then me fo' sure.
11-10-2006, 10:07 AM
Pelion

Re: I'm ahead, but don't want to bet

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

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Originally Posted by bigslikk

Really, i felt like a pussy, i'd just get 4 callers and a 70% + chance to win a lot of money. In the hand, i checked, called a minbet, let them see the J and lost all value on my hand.

FYP

BTW who is calling a raise w/ KTo OOP?

if there is a raise and 3 callers, then me fo' sure.

surely with a raise and 3 callers you will be dominated a pretty large percentage of the time.
11-10-2006, 10:09 AM
Renton

pelion, domination is only really a concern in heads up pots

i still fold KTo that being said. it just doesn't have much potential for a nut hand
11-10-2006, 11:43 AM
Miffed22001

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Originally Posted by Renton

pelion, domination is only really a concern in heads up pots

i still fold KTo that being said. it just doesn't have much potential for a nut hand

agreed, but on the rare occasions so much money goes in preflop from such a number of players we want to see the flop with any two cards capable of making something strong.
11-10-2006, 11:47 AM
Ash256

I'm mucking KTo preflop, betting the flop hard, and hoping to see a cheap river to boat up.
11-10-2006, 12:25 PM
bigslikk

Okay I understand that not leading out was pretty dumb; however i feel it's the same logic as... ur in a tourney on the SB with 55- yes you are probably ahead and should raise but that hand can take no flop pressure whatsoever.

I'm playing a very small buy-in donkfest tourney and I feel I can outplay them in the long run- i am up against mega calling stations, so playing any large pot w/o a clear favorite seems needless to me. Same reason pro's might fold to a ridiculous all-in, even if they suspect they may be ahead (i'm not saying I'm pro, just saying I don't push with 22 in MP like these idiots do).

Basically comes down to, IMO- this decision:

Your are 30% to win a 4-way pot (favorite). Do you agree to put all your chips in the middle? Cash game, no question, +EV long run. However for tourney, do you agree to a 70% to bust out of the tournament? I didn't feel like it.

BTW if you can outplay an opponent, why would u leave much to chance?I wouldn't willing go into a 50-50 coin flip situation. or even a 51-49. It doesn't seem to make sense- why a flip a coin when you know you can grind em to death in the long run?
11-10-2006, 12:48 PM
bigspenda73

OK, is this scenario from a tourney or ring game. That will change advice dramatically.
11-10-2006, 01:35 PM
martindcx1e

i thought it was cash game. if it's tourney i'm not really qualified to give advice.
11-10-2006, 01:48 PM
drmcboy

with posts like this, your edge is a lot smaller than you seem to think. I would just go ahead and try and get the money in with the best hand rather than try to outplay calling stations when you don't have the best hand. It is hard to make the nuts, you need to provide them yourself on occasion.

How else are you playing 55 from the SB? You're going to limp to make sure you see a flop you won't like rather than trying to win it now?

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Originally Posted by AHiltz

this almost sounds like you're playing at a level that you're not comfortable with

QFT
11-10-2006, 02:13 PM
BankItDrew

If you are almost certain your are ahead but are scared of scare cards, why not lead with an all-in?
11-10-2006, 04:19 PM
bigslikk

Yeah i shoulda pushed. I know I play too passive... it's just rough laying out big bets to protect and gettin called/ sucked out on anyway. Eh I'll stop whining. I know for certain that aggressive poker is better, I have my moments- reads at microstakes are tough, though, u raise with AJ, some guy pushes 100BB... he shows KT after u fold.
11-10-2006, 07:15 PM
Ash256

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Originally Posted by bigslikk

i am up against mega calling stations, so playing any large pot w/o a clear favorite seems needless to me.

Why you playing KTo then? What you expecting to flop?

If you want a clear favourite, play for the nuts rather than a shitty two-pair/TPWK.
11-10-2006, 08:09 PM
Lukie

nh, well played.

You lost the least (although you could and probably should have check/folded the flop-- saving you a bet). Don't listen to the haters.
11-10-2006, 08:51 PM
Pelion

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Originally Posted by Lukie

nh, well played.

You lost the least (although you could and probably should have check/folded the flop-- saving you a bet). Don't listen to the haters.

The LAGgier you play the more sarcastic you seem to become. Cant you just go back to friendly nitty Lukie? :(
11-10-2006, 08:55 PM
bigslikk

Yo this thread should be over... Lukie u spend too much time harassing people and looking for virtual softcore.
11-10-2006, 10:19 PM
bigspenda73

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Originally Posted by bigslikk

Yo this thread should be over... Lukie u spend too much time harassing people and looking for virtual softcore.

Damn Lukie, not to hate, but you are getting bwned all over this site lately