Push? Value bet? How would you play this river?

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11-06-2006, 04:49 AM
thizzSantaCruz

Push? Value bet? How would you play this river?

Heres another question about play for you guys. I have no reads on villain at all.

Button ($20.75 in chips)
SB($26.15 in chips)
BB($58.30 in chips)
UTG($19 in chips)
UTG+1($36.40 in chips)
Hero($96.45 in chips)
Villain($81 in chips)
CO($117.45 in chips)
SB- Posts small blind $0.25
BB- Posts big blind $0.50

*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO[3s 3h]
UTG- Folds
UTG+1- Folds
HERO- Calls $0.50
BELZ55 - Raises $3 to $3
CO- Folds
Button- Folds
SB- Folds
BB- Folds
HERO- Calls $2.50

*** FLOP *** [4s Ks 7d] pot 4.25 hero has 3s 3h
HERO- Bets $4
Villain- Calls $4

*** TURN *** [4s Ks 7d] [3d] pot 12.25 hero has 3s 3h 3d
Hero- Bets $11
Villain- Calls $11

*** RIVER *** [4s Ks 7d 3d] [3c] pot 34.25 hero has quad 3s

HERO.............................????

should I shove all in? should I value bet? what are your takes on this hand?
11-08-2006, 06:53 PM
bbqsquirrel

I'd won't bet that big. maybe 3/4 pot like $25-30. If he had a missed flush draw he won't call anything. If he had AK or KQ he might call close to pot but not an overbet shove. If he had a strong underpair TT to QQ you want him to call. If he had KK or (or 77 or 44) he'll raise you all-in regardless of what you do.
11-08-2006, 08:18 PM
thizzSantaCruz

thats good thinking. I was an idiot and shoved my whole stack at him and he folded.
11-09-2006, 02:59 AM
TLR

1. Fold preflop
2. Bet 1/2-2/3 pot on the river
11-09-2006, 08:44 AM
flotu

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbqsquirrel

If he had AK or KQ he might call close to pot but not an overbet shove. If he had a strong underpair TT to QQ you want him to call. If he had KK or (or 77 or 44) he'll raise you all-in regardless of what you do.

Bam, well played!
11-09-2006, 11:13 AM
cardsman1992

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLR

1. Fold preflop
2. Bet 1/2-2/3 pot on the river

Why would you not try to spike the set with villains stack where it is? I would never fold this preflop. Ballsy flop float, but I use this play from time to time to as a set line (even with air), and that allows me to bet the turn and get a fold.
11-09-2006, 12:21 PM
TLR

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardsman1992

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLR

1. Fold preflop
2. Bet 1/2-2/3 pot on the river

Why would you not try to spike the set with villains stack where it is? I would never fold this preflop. Ballsy flop float, but I use this play from time to time to as a set line (even with air), and that allows me to bet the turn and get a fold.

Its a low pair in a bad position, from LP I would limp it, but from EP I fold it, MP is marginal but I still tend to fold those
11-10-2006, 07:45 AM
Pelion

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLR

1. Fold preflop

thats a terrible fold imo. The average stack size is pretty big and a set could well get you a stack. set/forget from oop. The only time I fold this preflop is if he raises a wide range that he wont go broke with.
11-10-2006, 08:40 AM
Halv

Preflop I almost never fold, I either limp-call or raise. If the table is very aggressive then I might fold though (and then I'll look for another table).

I don't like firing at this flop OOP with no reads and close to no outs.

A 25$-30$ river bet should do the trick.
11-12-2006, 03:39 PM
cobere

It doesn't smell to me like he's chasing anything, smooth calling near-pot-sized bets on the flop and turn. Looks more like a made hand to me (KK, AA?). Any merit to checking the river and see if he will bet out? Or is that too much of a risk of him checking through and missing out on a bet?