This hand really bothers me...

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10-28-2006, 02:21 AM
IowaSkinsFan

This hand really bothers me...

the guy is 50/18 over 200 hands

PokerStars Game #6798111161: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/10/28 - 02:04:07 (ET)
Table 'Niobe' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Prosper777 ($77.10 in chips)
Seat 2: goat29loc ($47.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Huha ($103.90 in chips)
Seat 5: kgoose34 ($109.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Van Broke ($249.90 in chips)
Seat 7: redgrape ($95.75 in chips)
Seat 8: fentor ($74 in chips)
Seat 9: DougieG20 ($129.15 in chips)
Van Broke: posts small blind $0.50
redgrape: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [4h 7d]
fentor: folds
DougieG20: folds
Prosper777: folds
goat29loc: calls $1
Huha: folds
albatorcoco has returned
kgoose34: calls $1
Van Broke: calls $0.50
redgrape: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 6d 3s]
Van Broke: checks
redgrape: checks
goat29loc: checks
kgoose34: checks
*** TURN *** [6c 6d 3s] [Ah]
Van Broke: checks
redgrape: checks
goat29loc: checks
kgoose34: checks
*** RIVER *** [6c 6d 3s Ah] [5h]
Van Broke: checks
redgrape: bets $5
goat29loc: folds
kgoose34: raises $9 to $14

redgrape: ???
*** SHOW DOWN ***
10-28-2006, 02:28 AM
DaNutsInYoEye

Reads would help.

Call. If you raise you need to fold to any subsequent action.
10-28-2006, 04:28 AM
givememyleg

Wow this action is so strange... As said reads really come into play here, look at the action... limped on button pf, checked behind on the flop AND turn with 4 players in, then raising the river.... Does he always play his big hands passively? That is what raising or just calling comes down to here.

His vpip is 50 so could a hand like 42s be in his range? His pfr is 18%, why didn't he raise this hand? Sometimes fish get AA, get exicted, and want everyone in the pot... This hand looks like a donk monster line so just calling is perfectly fine, and probably best. But if you do raise I think you need to be sure he will call with an A, 6, or did hit the lower straight. Also, if you do raise make it ~$40 and FOLD if he pushes... nothing is going to push this river that you beat.
10-28-2006, 01:02 PM
IowaSkinsFan

thanks. i think a call was in store here, this really seems like a crippled deck super donk slowplay.
10-28-2006, 01:08 PM
zook

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

Call. If you raise you need to fold to any subsequent action.

Raising gets you in a heap of trouble.
10-28-2006, 01:26 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

i think raising here, no matter who the player is, is terrible.
10-28-2006, 07:16 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

i think raising here, no matter who the player is, is terrible.

Max, you know that is ridiculous. I see your point but you're exaggerating it.
10-28-2006, 08:06 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

i think raising here, no matter who the player is, is terrible.

Max, you know that is ridiculous. I see your point but you're exaggerating it.

okay, well pushing is terrible
10-29-2006, 01:49 AM
Jager

Well I think you should just call. No need to raise, you got solid value for a BB hand. Personally I would have bet this flop to see where I stand. I have a draw and the board is paired and I'm in a blind in an unraised pot. You will get a lot of folds in this situation and if you get a push its also an easy fold. Lead out a standard flop bet.
10-29-2006, 02:19 AM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jager

Well I think you should just call. No need to raise, you got solid value for a BB hand. Personally I would have bet this flop to see where I stand. I have a draw and the board is paired and I'm in a blind in an unraised pot. You will get a lot of folds in this situation and if you get a push its also an easy fold. Lead out a standard flop bet.

This advice is either way out of my league or you read the HH wrong, because this seems ridiculous. I flopped an inside straight draw with 4 people in the hand all who limped and i am oop and i should lead out? Explain.
10-29-2006, 03:05 AM
givememyleg

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

This advice is either way out of my league or you read the HH wrong, because this seems ridiculous.

my vote goes for #2 cuz there is no way this is out of your league advice
10-29-2006, 09:50 AM
Lukie

I would call the river. Villain's line in this hand is extremely wierd. 36/A6/55 would be my guess if you are beat. 6x also fits the action, maybe?

About leading the flop here, I would sometimes. Usually I'd just check/fold though. To lead, I'd have to be confident that my opponents could put me on 6x given that I checked my BB, and it would be a situation where firing a second barrell on the turn is almost mandatory if you get 1 caller, since your draw sucks and your hand has no showdown value. Hence, it might not be a good idea. It might be a good idea. That is the question.
10-29-2006, 02:27 PM
Jager

Your in a multi way unraised pot in a blind with a paired board it would somewhat depend on who was in this pot but I would fire out of the blind to represent the trips. This could win the pot here, you might also catch the gutshot later, if you get raised you can fold but it shows that you will bluff at a pot like this which should give you action on big hands later. I try to mix it up in unraised pots out of the blinds like this because the bets are still small, you can take a lot of little pots and weak players will think you are bluffing at every pot hence starting to pay you off. The poeple who don't use a HUD might also start to think you are loose, I had someone the other night think I played every hand because when I was in a hand I was betting, my table VPIP was 24 on a 6 max table I cashed out +390 BBs.

Also in this hand you might find out how someone else plays what they perceive as a big hand, as we know people play these hands very differently especially in unraised/multiway pots.
10-29-2006, 02:40 PM
Margin Of Error

I dont think the hand is weird at all. He made his hand on the river, it looks like you're trying to pick up the pot with something like a weak ace. I like a call here or a push if villian is loose. I think worst case scenario you're looking at a split here.
10-29-2006, 08:51 PM
Jager

Here is an example:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($172.95)
UTG ($305.35)
MP ($91.10)
CO ($140.60)
Button ($25.15)
SB ($23)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $1, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $5
10-29-2006, 08:51 PM
Jager

Here is an example:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($172.95)
UTG ($305.35)
MP ($91.10)
CO ($140.60)
Button ($25.15)
SB ($23)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $1, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $5
10-29-2006, 10:55 PM
Beck

call