50NL KK Button.

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10-23-2006, 02:05 AM
Turska

50NL KK Button.

50 NL.

No hand history available. No real reads except Villain has
been very quiet and tried to limp in some pots. Villain has not
raised any pot in 3 orbits.

Both have full stacks 50 dollars.

Turska is dealt [KsKc] Button.

Blinds are posted. Several limpers including villain at UTG+2.
Turska raises to 2.5. Villain minraises to 5. All folds except
Turska calls. (I guess I should have reraised to 15).

Flop [Td,2c,8d]

Villain checks
Turska bets 5 dollars (I did not want to scare him so I bet 1/2 pot)
Villain raises allin.

I figured that he do not have TT, 88,22 with that weird min-raise PF.

So I put him on FL draw (AKs,AQs) or big PP.

What would you do?

T.
10-23-2006, 04:04 AM
Margin Of Error

I think your read on villians hand is correct. If villian is an unknown I cant give credit for AA and have to call. If I know villian is uber weaktight and is likely to minraise AA pf/checkraise all in on flop (Like about 40% of stars NL playersl lol) I might consider laying this down. Even then I think you might be getting odds to call.
10-23-2006, 08:46 AM
AHiltz

limp + min raise preflop and a check push on the flop with the fact you haven't seen him raise before = AA 99.9% of the time IMO.

Be thankful he was stupid enough to push the flop and not raise an amount that you had to call. Get out now and find a better spot.
10-23-2006, 08:53 AM
Miffed22001

wow reraise preflop.

I think you see JJ here, perhaps AA if opp is really bad, but TT is faily likely imo.
Id call no doubt.
10-23-2006, 09:04 AM
biondino

I think AA is often played like this, and you're right, you needed to re-raise pre-flop IF you think you can fold to a push.

I don't know if he has JJ or QQ quite often enough to call this.
10-23-2006, 09:10 AM
phantom_lord

reraise pf.

I'd prob call here.
10-23-2006, 11:45 AM
martindcx1e

I just want to make sure everyone is aware that a "very quiet" player limp/re-raised pre-flop here.
10-23-2006, 12:32 PM
KoRnholio

AA most likely. Anyone bad enough to limp then minraise often has AA here.
10-23-2006, 12:45 PM
phantom_lord

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

I just want to make sure everyone is aware that a "very quiet" player limp/re-raised pre-flop here.

ok ok. He's most likely got aces, and he's played them badly so he really doesn't deserve our stack. Fold.
10-23-2006, 08:01 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

I just want to make sure everyone is aware that a "very quiet" player limp/re-raised pre-flop here.

HH isnt 100% clear. If UTG+2 limped with AA behind a limper, he sucks and is a fish anyway. Add to that IMO its just a likely to be TT/JJ passive who darent raise preflop but will donkminiraise (new term :D ) a preflop raise anyway.

If UTG+2 was the first to limp in i 3 ebt anyhow and fold to his push probably, but same again, he turns JJ/QQ/TT here a little too much for me to fold KK that often
10-24-2006, 01:46 AM
Turska

Ya you guys were right. My mistake was not to
reraise preflop to 15 and fold to push.

I called and he had AA. Lesson learned here.

T.
10-24-2006, 05:14 AM
ApocalypsPLZ

Bet more (8 works) on flop to make your decision easier.