77 turned set on str8 board

***** Hand History for Game 5231670678 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 23, 12:36:13 ET 2004
Table Monster #1293397 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: dutchdigger ( $151.60 )
Seat 3: Helderr ( $109.95 )
Seat 4: abra9832 ( $241.76 )
Seat 5: EdwardHx810 ( $50 )
Seat 2: AATrain01 ( $109.70 )
dutchdigger posts small blind [$0.50].
AATrain01 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AATrain01 [ 7h 7c ]
Helderr folds.
abra9832 calls [$1].

dutchdigger calls [$0.50].
AATrain01 raises [$4].

abra9832 calls [$4].
dutchdigger folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 6h, 9h ]
AATrain01 bets [$8].
abra9832 calls [$8].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
AATrain01 bets [$18].
I still wanted to make fdraws pay to chase, and i had outs to boat if called.
abra9832 calls [$18].
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
River i wanted to bet an amount that would get worse hands to cll and better hands to raise, allowing me to fold.
AATrain01 bets [$30].
abra9832 raises [$125].
AATrain01 folds.

Arent you priced in for this call? It's a $120 pot and you only have like $40 behind, giving you 3-1. He could very well have two pair/missed flush draw here. I've been making these folds lately as well and I'm wondering if I should be calling. Seems like they don't have the straight more often than not.

betting the river sucks here, just check and see what he does

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($151.60)
Hero ($109.70)
UTG ($109.95)
Button ($241.76)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Button calls $1, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, SB folds.

Flop: ($11) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($27) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $18, Button calls $18.

River: ($63) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button raises to $125, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $218

Use the converter man, I honestly feel like Ive said this to you 20 times and you still never use it. Its just common courtesy and takes like 10 seconds to do.

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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Arent you priced in for this call? It's a $120 pot and you only have like $40 behind, giving you 3-1. He could very well have two pair/missed flush draw here. I've been making these folds lately as well and I'm wondering if I should be calling. Seems like they don't have the straight more often than not.

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I really dont think 2pair is going to be raising this very often.

Apunisher, you didnt give any reads on your opponent or anything like that and in a hand like this it comes down to those sort of things. Do you think he will oblige and only raise with better hands? Do you think he will call that bet with worse hands? If you check, will he bet a worse hand?

Your river bet screams weakness and against this line a bluff raise would be very profitable Id guess. I think I agree with gabe here and would check and hope to get to showdown without putting anything more in. Id have a tough time calling a bet without a good read.

apunisher,

With 4 to a straigh on the board, do you really think villian will call enough with a worse hand on the river to make the bet +EV? I understand why you want to block/value bet it, but this is not the spot to do it, simply because it will almost never be called by a worse hand - people are simply to afraid of the VERY apparent straight out there. Check river and mostly fold to a bigger bet.

nothing is raising here IMO but a straight or a bluff.

Check/calling is better on the river when the bet is reasonable

check/call might induce a bluff as well. I call anything umm... 3/4ths pot or less? Kinda subjective there.

I think this is a fold because most people don't have the balls to raise river bets on this board unless they have a straight. Even considering the pot odds, your hand is not good nearly often enough to call unless you have a good read.

Yeah I agree with what everyone else says. If you think he has a busted FD, then there's no point betting the river because he's either folding anyway or he'll bluff you off the best hand. If he has two pair he should check behind. I probably check/call just about any bet here. But that's if my read tells me that villain is able to make plays. If he's somewhat tight I fold to anything substantial.

If he's tight, he probably doesnt have a T in his hand.

The reason i bet this river is so i didnt have to face an overbet push or psb that would leave me guessing as to whether or not he had a str8 or a busted flush draw. I think 98, 66, etc would call river bet as opposed to pushing.

yeah, your play wasn't bad, i just dont think its ideal.

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Originally Posted by euphoricism

yeah, your play wasn't bad, i just dont think its ideal.

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If youre taking this line, a half-pot bet and fold to reraise is right on, so don't fret.

/pete
//repete

I'm betting the turn and checking the river. I have caught numerous bluffs like this lately and the only hand I could reasonably see him limping and calling a raise with is possibly 9T. I don't (though it's possible) see him calling with a hand like AT or KT and floating you here so I would probably lean towards making the call. Great bet on the turn. Bad bet on the river.