rivered flush, not sure what to do

villian is solid. ive played with him alot but surprisingly enough we seem to avoid eachother. i havent seen him do much crazy stuff and same goes for him.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($1015)
SB ($976.25)
BB ($228)
UTG ($1646.91)
MP ($355.84)
CO ($1127)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG raises to $40, 2 folds, Hero calls $40, SB (poster) calls $35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($130) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $95, Hero calls $95, SB folds.

Turn: ($320) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($320) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $235, i push??

Final Pot: $555

Solid player, paired board, flush hits and he bets big.......I'm not laying it down but I don't think I'm raising here either.

Call.


EDIT: Actually I can't find a boat here, chances are slim he has 88. Only thing we're scared of is a higher flush. This is one of those "better hands will call/push over your raise, and weaker hands will fold..."

So I still say call.

Yeah I think push is good. The board makes a boat unlikely and our hand is pretty well concealed so there is value to be had.

I raise to 500 fold to a push.

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

I raise to 500 fold to a push.

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do we get better value from that than just calling here?

Do you have any read on his UTG play? What's his VP$P/PFR in general?

AA/KK seems very likely (99-QQ would bet the turn right?), and won't call your push often (depends on your image).

If it's close it's probably better to push since you're not showing down then.

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i havent seen him do much crazy stuff and same goes for him.

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Hmm.. Call.

hes probabyl like 20/15, more or less. no more than 23/18 and no less than 18/12

Much of this hand depends on his calling range to a push, which depends on how he percieves you. If AJ, QQ+ will call a push here then I would move all in. If he is the kind of player who tends to make heroic call downs this is also a good spot to push. Since it was a backdoor flush and you only have 100bbs I think a push maximizes value from the hand.

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

I raise to 500 intending to fold to a push and call anyways .

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In all seriousness though, 88, 55, 22, jj all are possibilities here, along with akd, aqd, and all those higher flush hands. Over pairs qq-aa will also take this line, and may donk off to you on the river as it is a very curious line for any hand (except a runner runner flush which is unlikely) that isn't a bluff to take. However, i think qq-aa are the only hands you beat that will ever call you, and even then they may all fold. So my initial reaction to ug's post was "standard weak tight george ;) " but now that i have thought the hand through i completely agree with him. You obviously need to call here as he will bet a very large range here, but i don't see him calling your push with much.

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Originally Posted by Bmxicle

i don't see him calling your push with much.

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yea thats exactly what i was thinking. i pushed and right after i did i was thinking 'god dammit stupid push' but he folded after a few seconds. i think i was lucky that he didn't have a hand like he will whenever he calls me and i go broke.

Now i may like this as a bluff (depending on alot of factors) but not with a hand that has showdown value.

great point

thats one of those things that people need to learn to do against known solid players

Given your image Gabe I think the push isn't bad at all, many hands you beat will call.

Just call against a solid reg. but against someone weak or with some other read then a push is good with your sneaky hand.

I've used villains line with flopped boats in the past. He also could have backed into an ace high flush.