Nut flush. Paired board. Get it all in?

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08-19-2006, 05:37 AM
IslandAK

Nut flush. Paired board. Get it all in?

I was going to post as general question but HH helps right?

If the board pairs and the action is on the paired street do I still get it in with the nut flush.

Villan in is a very loose caller, pocket pair definitely in his range. AJ,KJ,QJ 100% in his range too. No reraise so AA/KK probably out. I haven't seen him get it in without a hand post flop. But trip J's is a hand. He has calls largish (up to pot size) bets in draws/floats.

***** Pacific Hand History for Game 146250689 *****
$0.12/$0.25 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 08 18 22:57:59 2006
Table Panda Bear (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 10: old275 ( $17.12 )
Seat 1: wyzone2b ( $33.88 )
Seat 2: fanfarm ( $12.44 )
Seat 3: ollie76 ( $49.39 )
Seat 4: goldenf ( $12.2 )
Seat 5: PatBat ( $21.18 )
Seat 7: daf120 ( $24.5 )
Seat 8: Island3r ( $26.15 )
Seat 9: bjajnes ( $7.75 )
PatBat posts small blind [$0.12].
daf120 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Island3r [ Qc Ac ]
Island3r raises [$1].
bjajnes folds.
old275 folds.
wyzone2b calls [$1].
fanfarm folds.
ollie76 folds.
goldenf folds.
PatBat folds.
daf120 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 5c, 9c ]
Island3r checks.
wyzone2b bets [$1].
Island3r calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
Island3r checks.
wyzone2b bets [$1].
Island3r raises [$3].
wyzone2b raises [$6].
Island3r raises [$21.15].
wyzone2b calls [$17.15].
08-19-2006, 11:25 AM
freechus9

I think it's fine if he's a loose caller. NH.
08-19-2006, 11:42 AM
Ash256

Given your read on him, I think you'd best get your money in here. I'm pretty sure he's got TPGK. If he's got better, nh, although I can't see it being that likely.
08-19-2006, 02:06 PM
WhooFleuryScores

Preflop: Raise is good.

Flop: Bet a bit more. You need to charge sets/two pairs to draw out on you.

Turn: THis is iffy......I think you need to either call down or fold......Pushing will only get a better hand to call.
08-19-2006, 02:23 PM
freechus9

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores

Pushing will only get a better hand to call.

You don't think a loose caller will stack of with Jx?
08-19-2006, 02:36 PM
KingLizard

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores

Preflop: Raise is good.

Flop: Bet a bit more. You need to charge sets/two pairs to draw out on you.

Turn: THis is iffy......I think you need to either call down or fold......Pushing will only get a better hand to call.

Gotta agree with Whoo on the turn. You have been betting and reraising and he'd have to be a complete fool to think you don't have a flush. Either he has a smaller flush or J 9. One way you win, the other way you don't.
08-19-2006, 05:10 PM
givememyleg

Why check call the flop?
08-19-2006, 05:41 PM
flyingPenguin

There are a bunch of hands you are behind here - JJ, 99, 55, J9 - but that's probably not a big percentage of his range from what you say. I'd not be trying to get it all in myself - probably calling the turn and $10 on the river - but I'd be willing to chase him with all of it he chose to put it in himself (that river $10 would commit me to the pot).
08-19-2006, 05:54 PM
benny999

Get more money in on the flop...no need to slowplay like that.
08-19-2006, 06:04 PM
IslandAK

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores

Turn: THis is iffy......I think you need to either call down or fold......Pushing will only get a better hand to call.

That's been happening a lot lately, like every time. I do need to slow down when the board pairs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by givememyleg

Why check call the flop?

He's been letting go when I bet strong (just letting go of his junk). Bet he's been betting into me when I show a little weakness. Check call is representing maybe I have and underpair, the flush draw, KJ, something not to strong. I meant to reraise the turn. Then it paired the J. Not super worrisome until we're getting it all in.

How does it end? He shows down 55, fives full of jacks. nh. Even if I push the flop he calls and wins.

I need to figure out how to let go of these hands. Even when I just call down with a hand like this I've been beat. I lose $20 instead of $25, but still get owned.
08-20-2006, 03:36 AM
WhooFleuryScores

Yeah;unfortunatly sometimes those Sets do resuck back out on you....oh well.Remember to add villain to donkey list.
08-20-2006, 07:02 AM
Wyvver

I think I would have put him on a weaker flush, his bet after the flop to me looked like he made a smaller flush, or is drawing to a higher flush and wants to find out where he is standing.

Of course, now that you said he made his boat, I can see that his line is the same with a set...he bets to find out if you made a flush, or his set is good.