Tough river call?

Fishkin is not terribly good at poker, 57/20/~2PFA

Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50)
Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Besiktasj ($40.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Give-up ($8.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Fishkin ($15.90 in chips)
Seat 4: newsad ($37.65 in chips)
Seat 5: passdsuga ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Zindredin ($34.25 in chips)
Give-up: posts small blind $0.25
Fishkin: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to passdsuga [Js Qh]
newsad: folds
passdsuga: raises to $2
Zindredin: folds
Besiktasj: folds
Give-up: folds
Fishkin: calls $1.50
----- FLOP ----- [Th Kd 7d]
Fishkin: checks
passdsuga: bets $3.50
Fishkin: calls $3.50
----- TURN ----- [Th Kd 7d][Qd]
Fishkin: checks
passdsuga: checks
----- RIVER ----- [Th Kd 7d Qd][Qc]
Fishkin: bets $7
passdsuga: ???

Damn, that Q on the turn fills up a lot of draws. Do you fold or crying call here?

call, u checked behind on the turn which shows weakness- a missed cbet possibly, so its only natural for the villain to bet into u. Plus, the queen doesn't complete any real draws, only j9 and aj. It would not surprise me at all to see villain flip two pair kings and queens or something.

editted: sry, didn't see the flush draw completing, try converting ur hands. That makes this a much tougher call, as ive seen flushes take this exact same line, i think im leaning towards fold now.

Turn Q completes any broadway straight or flush draw.

would he pot his flush?
otherwise call.

I always call here.

Thanks guys, I called and lost to his A:diamond: 5:diamond: flush. I didn't see much I could beat on that board except a Q with lower kicker and a K, but I didn't see TP betting $7. Just wanted to make sure I'm not lighting my bankroll on fire.

I'd call too. Villain could be betting the K here out of desperation

kings dont check call check bet the pot here a lot.
flushes do.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

kings dont check call check bet the pot here a lot.
flushes do.

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I wouldnt be surprised to see a weak one pair [two inlcuding board pair] hand betting this river, check to the PFRer on the flop and call the bet, that isnt saying that much. They check the turn when the FD hits, and bet the river when they see you check behind. Could this be a flush? Yea, and it would probably play very similarly to this but so do other weaker hands. Your hand on the river essentially turns into a bluff catcher, but its a little stronger because he could see his bet as a value bet of a T or K. I think this is an easy call with a check behind on the turn.

Your point is certainly pertinant but

Fishkin is not terribly good at poker, 57/20/~2PFA
Seat 3: Fishkin ($15.90 in chips)
Fishkin: bets $7


Still think its a hand we beat?

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Your point is certainly pertinant but

Fishkin is not terribly good at poker, 57/20/~2PFA
Seat 3: Fishkin ($15.90 in chips)
Fishkin: bets $7


Still think its a hand we beat?

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Enough to make this profitable? Yes. If I did the math correctly we only need to win here 30% of the time to breakeven. Our opponent is not very good at poker, typically betting almost all of your stack on the river [while not the typicaclly the best idea in general] is a strong move done with a strong hand, in the eyes of our opponents. He could easily think his K or T is good here and think he is making a great move in picking off a cbet, he isnt very good at poker. From somebody who was good I would pay much more attention to their stacks but from him with the line we took I dont give him that much credit. This would be a really weird line for a set that makes a boat on the river, a random straight may be possible and so is a flush but will he have one of those 70% of the time? I personally dont think so, I very well could be wrong though.

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Originally Posted by aislephive

I always call here.

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