TPTK -- What's the philosophy?
I, like many other beginners, have come to know the peril of TPTK. A few minutes ago in the BB with 1 limper and the SB completing I raise to 4x with AJ suited, and both call. Flop goes 7 J 3 rainbow. SB checks, I lead out with a PSB, UTG+1 calls, SB folds. Turn is another 3, another PSB, and another flat call. River is it doesn't matter, duh the guy had 33 for quads.
My question is: do we need to assume that guys are sitting on a set when they check/call on us when we have TPTK? I thought we bet for information, and I can't count the number of times I've stacked people with TPGK when I had TPTK. I know some alarm bells should be going off with the c/c but at what point is it self defeating to assume that? You could be good a good majority of the time and people are just floating looking to pair one of their hole cards.
Help?
Re: TPTK -- What's the philosophy?
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Originally Posted by takesix
I, like many other beginners, have come to know the peril of TPTK. A few minutes ago in the BB with 1 limper and the SB completing I raise to 4x with AJ suited, and both call. Flop goes 7 J 3 rainbow. SB checks, I lead out with a PSB, UTG+1 calls, SB folds. Turn is another 3, another PSB, and another flat call. River is it doesn't matter, duh the guy had 33 for quads.
My question is: do we need to assume that guys are sitting on a set when they check/call on us when we have TPTK? I thought we bet for information, and I can't count the number of times I've stacked people with TPGK when I had TPTK. I know some alarm bells should be going off with the c/c but at what point is it self defeating to assume that? You could be good a good majority of the time and people are just floating looking to pair one of their hole cards.
Help?
no don't assume you are always getting slowplayed because you're not - remember how badly people CHASE? also, you should NOT bet only for information! try not betting the size of the pot every time - that builds big pots. in your case you built a big pot with a weak hand while out of position - this is one of the worst scenarios in all of poker. don't do this! a bet between 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot gives bad odds to chasers, helps weaker hands call more than a PSB does, and it keeps the pot size smaller for when you're in trouble. there's usually not a good reason to bet that much.
Re: TPTK -- What's the philosophy?
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no don't assume you are always getting slowplayed because you're not - remember how badly people CHASE? also, you should NOT bet only for information! try not betting the size of the pot every time - that builds big pots. in your case you built a big pot with a weak hand while out of position - this is one of the worst scenarios in all of poker. don't do this! a bet between 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot gives bad odds to chasers, helps weaker hands call more than a PSB does, and it keeps the pot size smaller for when you're in trouble. there's usually not a good reason to bet that much.
Well I had seen the guy on maybe 4 of the previous 10 hands do what to me looked like "floating"... he'd call a flop bet, with a turn check he'd bet and they'd fold. Or call the flop bet, raise after the turn check and after a turn call, they'd check the river and he'd bet hard, and they'd fold. I tend to 4 table, so for me to notice something like that means he probably did it more than 4 times in that 10 hand span.
What should have struck me was there were NO draws out there at all, rainbow, at best an inside straight to draw to so yeah, 1/2 to 2/3 pot bet would have been better -- I just kind of wanted to take it down and by the time I realized (river, i put him on 77) the pot was already like 80 BB with another 10 to go so at that point I might as well hope he had KJ.
Re: TPTK -- What's the philosophy?
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Originally Posted by takesix
...the pot was already like 80 BB with another 10 to go so at that point I might as well hope he had KJ.
right so don't build big pots w/o big hands.
Re: TPTK -- What's the philosophy?
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Originally Posted by takesix
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no don't assume you are always getting slowplayed because you're not - remember how badly people CHASE? also, you should NOT bet only for information! try not betting the size of the pot every time - that builds big pots. in your case you built a big pot with a weak hand while out of position - this is one of the worst scenarios in all of poker. don't do this! a bet between 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot gives bad odds to chasers, helps weaker hands call more than a PSB does, and it keeps the pot size smaller for when you're in trouble. there's usually not a good reason to bet that much.
Well I had seen the guy on maybe 4 of the previous 10 hands do what to me looked like "floating"... he'd call a flop bet, with a turn check he'd bet and they'd fold. Or call the flop bet, raise after the turn check and after a turn call, they'd check the river and he'd bet hard, and they'd fold. I tend to 4 table, so for me to notice something like that means he probably did it more than 4 times in that 10 hand span.
What should have struck me was there were NO draws out there at all, rainbow, at best an inside straight to draw to so yeah, 1/2 to 2/3 pot bet would have been better -- I just kind of wanted to take it down and by the time I realized (river, i put him on 77) the pot was already like 80 BB with another 10 to go so at that point I might as well hope he had KJ.
So in other words you're saying you put him on a set of sevens, the winning hand, and you decide to try to take down the pot??? Does that make any sense at all???
Re: TPTK -- What's the philosophy?
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Originally Posted by ALLinWIT_72
So in other words you're saying you put him on a set of sevens, the winning hand, and you decide to try to take down the pot??? Does that make any sense at all???
Hey, I've been wrong before.
Also, figuring it out on the river was a little late. I guess I coulda saved $5, at the possible expense of $45. At that stage I might as well hope.
