JJ - thoughts?

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07-08-2006, 01:54 PM
andr3w321

JJ - thoughts?

Analyze plz.

PokerStars Game #5493154378: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/07/08 - 13:44:54 (ET)
Table 'Cassiopea III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: anti-rounder ($72.75 in chips)
Seat 3: TheGuru113 ($39 in chips)
Seat 4: hunter138 ($111 in chips)
Seat 5: andr3w321 ($290.45 in chips)
Seat 6: kakapee ($174.90 in chips)
anti-rounder: posts small blind $1
TheGuru113: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [:Jd: :Jh:]
hunter138: calls $2
andr3w321: raises $7 to $9
kakapee is disconnected
kakapee is connected
kakapee: calls $9
anti-rounder: folds
TheGuru113: folds
hunter138: calls $7
*** FLOP *** [:2d: :9c: :9d:]
hunter138: checks
andr3w321: bets $20
kakapee: calls $20
hunter138: folds
*** TURN *** [2d 9c 9d] [:4s:]
andr3w321: bets $40
kakapee: calls $40
*** RIVER *** [2d 9c 9d 4s] [:Kh:]
andr3w321: bets $60
kakapee:
07-08-2006, 02:42 PM
Cocco_Bill

I am checking the river. Are you afraid to get bluffed off the pot by a missed flush draw?
07-08-2006, 03:30 PM
theDEEPdish

deffinately better to check call the river
07-08-2006, 03:48 PM
aislephive

Reads would help.

This river bet is really bad. Are any worse hands calling? This is definitely the time to check and call pretty much anything.
07-08-2006, 03:53 PM
jackvance

If you're afraid to get bluffed off the pot, I'd recommend a blocking bet of, say $20 instead of this. Or check/call.
07-08-2006, 05:51 PM
johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by jackvance

If you're afraid to get bluffed off the pot, I'd recommend a blocking bet of, say $20 instead of this. Or check/call.

what does a 13.5% of the pot river bet accomplish in this situation?
07-08-2006, 06:52 PM
andr3w321

I figured him for a pocket pair by just calling me down 55-QQ. I thought the river bet would be for value.
07-08-2006, 07:44 PM
jackvance

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

what does a 13.5% of the pot river bet accomplish in this situation?

Weaker hands call, stronger hands raise? (It would probably need to be a bit more in this situation, couldn't see the actual pot size)
07-08-2006, 09:07 PM
Miffed22001

did we need to bet the flop?
07-09-2006, 01:01 AM
johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by jackvance

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

what does a 13.5% of the pot river bet accomplish in this situation?

Weaker hands call, stronger hands raise? (It would probably need to be a bit more in this situation, couldn't see the actual pot size)

a weak river bet could set up for a monster reraise. and what do you do in that situation, with no reads so to speak?

makes it awfully hard to call with jacks.
07-09-2006, 06:19 AM
jackvance

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

a weak river bet could set up for a monster reraise. and what do you do in that situation, with no reads so to speak?

makes it awfully hard to call with jacks.

Can't the same be said for checking?
07-09-2006, 06:21 AM
johnny_fish

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

did we need to bet the flop?

Yes, JJ is almost surely the best hand here and the pot is worth protecting.
07-09-2006, 10:27 AM
Miffed22001

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Originally Posted by johnny_fish

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

did we need to bet the flop?

Yes, JJ is almost surely the best hand here and the pot is worth protecting.

a lot of worse hands call but wont call the turn. If we bet two streets we lose more to a nine

I like a check bet value bet line here rather than bet bet bet depednind on super fishiness of opp to call us down with any pair.
07-09-2006, 12:20 PM
andr3w321

To be honest if he has a 9 more power to him, but it's highly unlikely I'm not really worried about it. Results:

kakapee: calls $60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
andr3w321: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
kakapee: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
kakapee collected $268 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $270 | Rake $2
Board [2d 9c 9d 4s Kh]
Seat 1: anti-rounder (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: TheGuru113 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: hunter138 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: andr3w321 showed [Jd Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 6: kakapee (button) showed [Qd Qs] and won ($268) with two pair, Queens and Nines
07-09-2006, 12:25 PM
jackvance

I'm with miffed on this one.. in these situations pot control takes preference over protecting my hand or whatever.
07-09-2006, 12:55 PM
johnny_fish

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

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Originally Posted by johnny_fish

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

did we need to bet the flop?

Yes, JJ is almost surely the best hand here and the pot is worth protecting.

a lot of worse hands call but wont call the turn. If we bet two streets we lose more to a nine

I like a check bet value bet line here rather than bet bet bet depednind on super fishiness of opp to call us down with any pair.

The flop is 4-handed.. I 1/2-2/3 pot the flop and, depending on what happens, c/c or c/f the turn.
07-09-2006, 01:05 PM
ilikeaces86

looks ok now check call the river.
07-13-2006, 02:26 AM
underminedsk

This pot got horribly out of control for your hand strength. Yes we need to lead the flop, cause there are alot of overcards that will make your hand look bad on the turn, and we need to figure out where we stand. It sucks that your out of position and makes turn decisions kind of hard. I would probably opt for a strong lead again like you did, fold to any sort of turn raise, and check call on pretty much any river card unless you suspect a slowly played 9, which is definately possible. Again, it sucks that you are OOP here.