2 Hands-(AA vs 4-bet flop & KTs misplayed bluff)

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07-01-2006, 01:49 PM
!Luck

2 Hands-(AA vs 4-bet flop & KTs misplayed bluff)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($9.25)
UTG ($4.75)
MP ($12.10)
Hero ($16.60)
SB ($21.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.25) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($18.25) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $7.60 (All-In), SB calls $3.60.

River: ($33.45) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $33.45

No one ever 4-bets a bluff right? but the real question is due to my short stack is it correct to call? Or should i drop this on flop? or turn?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($39.35)
Button ($11.37)
Hero ($16.27)
BB ($24.32)
UTG ($17.94)
MP ($24.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, MP raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.25) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, MP calls $1.25.

Turn: ($4.75) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, MP calls $2.75.

River: ($10.25) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4.5, MP calls $4.50.

Final Pot: $19.25

Is this why one should never make bluffs without reads? Or should I just go all in on the river, or is that the most asinine thing you have heard all day?
07-01-2006, 01:54 PM
gabe

first hand is fine...they might not be bluffing but usually they have AJ or something.

on the second hand i would bet more on turn, probably $4. i think you have to check the river because the heart came though (although the ace is usually a good card to keep a bluff going on)
07-01-2006, 02:29 PM
Irisheyes

1) I usually just 3bet the flop AI when he raises me.

2) I usualy give it up on the turn. This flop is too co-ordinated I think.
07-01-2006, 02:53 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

2) I usualy give it up on the turn. This flop is too co-ordinated I think.

thats a better reason to fire at it when in position
07-01-2006, 03:00 PM
Irisheyes

Why because people are more likely to be drawing?
07-01-2006, 03:00 PM
aislephive

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

2) I usualy give it up on the turn. This flop is too co-ordinated I think.

thats a better reason to fire at it when in position

This may be true for medium-higher stake games, but I hate second barrelling like this at 25nl into this board. 25nl players decide on the flop if they're committing themselves to the hand, so second barrelling usually is pretty sucky if they have anything at all.

Hand 1 is really standard. Players down there play QJ here like it's the stone cold nuts. Besides you have too much committed and not enough behind to let this go.