10/20 NL What do you folks think of this hand?

I know I made a mistake and I know were I think I made it. Were do you guys think I messed up

So I was playing 10/20 no limit at absolute poker, I had been at this table for about an hr, and I had a good read on the players. Hell I have played these folks before and I think I have a good read on most of them. I had made about 1200 hundred and cashed out and bought back in with 1k. I can’t remember the exact details but this is roughly what happened

Im one off the botton and I get dealt AK o/s

MP bets out 30

I raise to 60

Big blind calls 60

MP calls as well.

Flop comes out rag, A(d) K (d)

Big blind bets out 130

MP calls

I re-raise to 260

(At this point I re-raised to 260 only because I knew that the big blind had bet this to rep the ace, or to protect a ace with a weak kicker. I had seen him do this before and he was semi lose while the rest of the table was tight. He would pick up orphan pots left right and centre I was trying to trap him. He could have been on a flush draw but I don’t think he would have raised that 130 on a flush draw. He didn’t like playing flush draws. Don’t ask me why)

Big blind calls

MP folds

Turn comes out a six of clubs

He raises 250. I go all in with the rest of my stack and were siting at over 2k in the pot.

The river is another six and hes holding an A 6 (fullhouse) and I have 2 pair with aa kk.

Were do you think I messed up? I feel I should have raised more on the pre-flop to narrow it down more and I should have bet about 350ish on the flop. Comments?

OMG

what is that supposed to mean??????^^^^^^^^^

i think i'm just folding it on the turn

lol

rather than giveing me sarcastic comments like above can i get some real imput? If your goin to be sarcastic follow up with some reasoning!. I know that i didn't play it well, but i played it the way i did CUZ I HAD A READ ON THE GUY!!!

So give me some legit comments other wise don't post.

The problem with FTP is that if you don't spend more time time posting and and less time playing actual poker no one takes your seriously.

You got all the money in when you were ahead and he sucked out on you. What more is there to say? If you'd made him fold by raising harder preflop or on the flop then, yes, the outcome would have been different, but bottom line is you got rivered.

nothing to say
this should be in badbeat forum

btw

the other day

i had kk. a total donkey goes all in before the flop.

i called

the river was a deuce... he turned over 22.

WHERE DID I GO WRONG?

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Originally Posted by exsentrik

MP bets out 30

I raise to 60
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Big blind bets out 130

MP calls

I re-raise to 260

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Stop all the min-raisin'! Especially after someone calls in between you two and there's a flush draw out there...

#1 is this a 10 or 6max table? How many players are sitting?
#2 what are their stacks?
#3 why did you buyin short if you have such good reads?
#4 don't min raise

Your raise preflop should be to isolate, not to bloat the pot. Then you minraise again and give great drawing odds.

How is it that you are playing 10/20 and not understanding these concepts?

the first time i read this

i thought it was a joke

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

the first time i read this

i thought it was a joke

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Fold preflop.

'x' out of Absolute Poker.

Play at stakes no more then one hundredth of what you are currently playing at.

If you think this is a sarcastic post it's not, and my reasoning is that you obviously don't have any understanding of the game and I don't want to see an FTR'er lose all of his money.

Like i said before, you don't get respect in this forum unless you spend more time posting and less time playing poker.

I actually am doing quite well playing at the 10/20 NL range. You guys that hate so much should drop a set and play in the higher limits, they aren't as bad as you think they are. I know im goin to get alot of posts hating on me so im not even goin to respond beyond this.

All I can say is this: PLEASE make damn sure you're playing 10/20 with at the very absolute riduclously minimum of 40 buyins. 50 is preferable.

Move down to 25NL immediatly or go broke.

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Originally Posted by exsentrik

Like i said before, you don't get respect in this forum unless you spend more time posting and less time playing poker.

I actually am doing quite well playing at the 10/20 NL range. You guys that hate so much should drop a set and play in the higher limits, they aren't as bad as you think they are. I know im goin to get alot of posts hating on me so im not even goin to respond beyond this.

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after seeing the advice youve posted and the way you played this hand, i think you will be broke within 1 month. also, you have a poor attitude which doesn't help.

sorry i had to be the one to say it

You cats are retarded. I can’t believe your attitudes. Just cuz someone is making decent coin off of playing limits you can’t afford you have to tare them down. By the way, im not playing with 50 buy ins which I think is crazy unless that’s all you do is play poker. My bankroll is 10 buyins and I have been doing quite well. Before you guys start hating and posting shit, read what the orrignal post was.

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Originally Posted by exsentrik

Just cuz someone is making decent coin off of playing limits you can’t afford ...

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lol
i will play you headsup for whatever stakes you like, and i can think of a couple other people here who would probably say the same thing

im not trying to tear you down

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Originally Posted by exsentrik

Were do you guys think I messed up?

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I think this was answered fully. What did you want? A pat on the back and a shoulder to cry on for the bad beat? Puh-leeze. Some of the players that replyed to your post would eat you for lunch at the poker table. Lose the bankroll ego and look at why they think you played this hand badly. You might learn something.

Damn you like living on the edge excentric. Hope you don't go broke. I don't think you went wrong anywhere really, you tried to trap him, you succeeded, and he sucked out on you. (not too much of a fan of all the minraising you did there though) You seem to be very good at playing on your reads. GL ahead of this.

btw, this one was just too funny, still laughing about it now:

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

the other day

i had kk. a total donkey goes all in before the flop.

i called

the river was a deuce... he turned over 22.

WHERE DID I GO WRONG?

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Lets do it. Ill set up a private talbe at absolute or partypoker which ever you perfer. Lets make it intresting though. 5/10 or 10/20 Buy in for 1000 or 2000. I am avaible after 5 pm pst. Lets post this on the boards at FTR so the rest of your wanabee buddies can see too.

Oooo...announce the time beforehand please, gentlemen. I think there'll be some railbirds on this one. GL to you both.

So eat bugs talks a lot of game, but he can’t stick his money were his mouth is. Im waiting. Ill even give you my cell number, if you prefer to talk to me.

xxxxx

i don't mean to tap the glass...sorry gabe - post removed -

:)

Make sure you post about this when It happens. I want to watch.

Hey

You know what, you guys are right. I shouldn’t be acting out like this. I apologize to eats bugs. But you have to understand from my point of view too, I asked for a opiion of my play and were I messed up, and everyone jumped down my throat giving me a whole, HOLYIER THAN THOU attitude. It just put me on the defensive. If you read my original post you will see that I head a good read on this guy, and I know how he plays. I have played him many times. Again, eat bugs and the rest of the FTR crew, im sorry if I stepped over the line.

i dont think anyone was intentionally trying to be mean. if you have been around for more than a couple of days, these forums tend to have just a hint of sarcasm. For the most part, people are here to critique your game. Critiques come in good and bad. if you dont want to hear the bad, dont post it. anyway, i think everyone is trying to look out because they have seen many players go broke playing out of their BR.

Good luck with everything, and please make an obvious post of when the 10/20 showdown game will be.

that is all

ok lets play on party poker, 10/20

gimme a few days you are available, and let me pick when is best for me

oh....i just thought of something. the blinds on party poker headsup are backwards. how are they on absolute?

Stop being so god damn sensitive and you'll see people looking out for your best interest. This isn't an emotional security forum, you're talking to a bunch of asshole poker players.

As stated, the fact that you even posted this is evidence you shouldn't be at these stakes. People who earn the right to be at these stakes are ecstatic when they get $1,000 in the middle with a better two pair, regardless of how the river rapes them.

LOL at this thread. All I've got to say is wow. Playing 10/20 with 20k and you just minraised PF and on the flop, then you get it all in as a monster favorite and lose and then ask what you did wrong. I hope you're kidding.

i kinda want to play him just so i give him bad beats

Gabe I had some crazy bad beats today. Like the time I b3b, pushed turn with my middle set, and lost to runner runner flush from bottom set was kind of mild, that's how bad I got screwed today.

Screw all you guys.. you wanna see a beat!!!?? This is a beat:



***** Hand History for Game 4611831749 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, June 28, 16:33:39 ET 2006
Table Table 105920 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: zebekolush ( $492.16 )
Seat 4: sexyhotness ( $700.01 )
Seat 6: lolYouFoldEZ ( $486.15 )
Seat 5: betterthany ( $540.70 )
Seat 3: HaroldJ42 ( $397.90 )
Seat 1: store11 ( $302 )
betterthany posts small blind [$2].
lolYouFoldEZ posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolYouFoldEZ [ Ah Ad ]
store11 folds.
zebekolush raises [$15].
HaroldJ42 calls [$15].
sexyhotness folds.
betterthany folds.
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$51].
zebekolush is all-In [$477.16]
HaroldJ42 folds.
lolYouFoldEZ is all-In [$431.15]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 9c, 7d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
lolYouFoldEZ shows [ Ah, Ad ] a pair of aces.
zebekolush shows [ Ac, As ] a flush, ace high.

zebekolush wins $6.01 from side pot #1 with a flush, ace high.
zebekolush wins $986.30 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

i didnt know you were lolufoldez!

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Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

i didnt know you were lolufoldez!

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It's true it's true!

***** Hand History for Game 4596722179 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 26, 11:15:15 ET 2006
Table Table 107392 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: URDADDYNOW ( $205.66 )
Seat 4: lolYouFoldEZ ( $200.70 )
Seat 6: NineHighFTW ( $208.20 )
Seat 5: StickyBluntz ( $113.10 )
Seat 2: Gaasten_85 ( $198 )
Seat 1: amitush1 ( $103.34 )
StickyBluntz posts small blind [$1].
NineHighFTW posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NineHighFTW [ Kd Ad ]
amitush1 folds.
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$7].
StickyBluntz folds.
NineHighFTW raises [$22].
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$17].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 4c, 4s ]
NineHighFTW bets [$32].
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$32].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
NineHighFTW checks.
lolYouFoldEZ is all-In.
NineHighFTW calls [$144.70].
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
NineHighFTW shows [ Kd, Ad ] two pairs, kings and fours.
lolYouFoldEZ doesn't show [ 7c, 9c ] two pairs, sevens and fours.
NineHighFTW wins $400.40 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and fours.

Sorry bro, soon when I'm at 400nl you'll stack me, it'll be sweet revenge for you. :)

But yeah, bad beats suck ..

***** Hand History for Game 4611080864 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, June 28, 14:12:48 ET 2006
Table Table 107398 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Jabonecj ( $364.53 )
Seat 6: NineHighFTW ( $262.50 )
Seat 2: pimpitupbro ( $473.35 )
Seat 5: DoctaBluff ( $637 )
Seat 4: SevenSuited ( $181 )
Seat 1: buckeyecj ( $111.05 )
DoctaBluff posts small blind [$1].
NineHighFTW posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NineHighFTW [ Qs Qc ]
buckeyecj raises [$8].
pimpitupbro folds.
SevenSuited folds.
DoctaBluff folds.
>You have options at Table 107392 Table!.
NineHighFTW raises [$25].
buckeyecj calls [$19].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 8h, 7s ]
NineHighFTW bets [$34].
>You have options at Table 107428 Table!.
buckeyecj is all-In.
NineHighFTW calls [$50.05].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
NineHighFTW shows [ Qs, Qc ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
buckeyecj shows [ Qh, Jh ] three of a kind, jacks.
buckeyecj wins $221.10 from the main pot with three of a kind, jacks.

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Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

i didnt know you were lolufoldez!

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I was talking to you at a table once about how it was me!

How come you moved straight up to 1000NL by the way?

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Originally Posted by aislephive

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Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

i didnt know you were lolufoldez!

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It's true it's true!

***** Hand History for Game 4596722179 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 26, 11:15:15 ET 2006
Table Table 107392 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: URDADDYNOW ( $205.66 )
Seat 4: lolYouFoldEZ ( $200.70 )
Seat 6: NineHighFTW ( $208.20 )
Seat 5: StickyBluntz ( $113.10 )
Seat 2: Gaasten_85 ( $198 )
Seat 1: amitush1 ( $103.34 )
StickyBluntz posts small blind [$1].
NineHighFTW posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NineHighFTW [ Kd Ad ]
amitush1 folds.
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$7].
StickyBluntz folds.
NineHighFTW raises [$22].
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$17].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 4c, 4s ]
NineHighFTW bets [$32].
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$32].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
NineHighFTW checks.
lolYouFoldEZ is all-In.
NineHighFTW calls [$144.70].
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
NineHighFTW shows [ Kd, Ad ] two pairs, kings and fours.
lolYouFoldEZ doesn't show [ 7c, 9c ] two pairs, sevens and fours.
NineHighFTW wins $400.40 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and fours.

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LoL, you just love bringing this up don't you?

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Originally Posted by Irisheyes

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Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

i didnt know you were lolufoldez!

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I was talking to you at a table once about how it was me!

How come you moved straight up to 1000NL by the way?

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Oh yea lol...I remember now. I sometimes get all confused who's who.

Well, I played about 55k at 2/4, 20k at 3/6 and took a shot at 5/10. I've ran good for my first 10k hands up there and have a pretty decent roll for the game now so I'm gonna keep at it until I get smacked back down.

ok why did i stop playing 10/20 nl?

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Originally Posted by Irisheyes

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Originally Posted by aislephive

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Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

i didnt know you were lolufoldez!

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It's true it's true!

***** Hand History for Game 4596722179 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 26, 11:15:15 ET 2006
Table Table 107392 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: URDADDYNOW ( $205.66 )
Seat 4: lolYouFoldEZ ( $200.70 )
Seat 6: NineHighFTW ( $208.20 )
Seat 5: StickyBluntz ( $113.10 )
Seat 2: Gaasten_85 ( $198 )
Seat 1: amitush1 ( $103.34 )
StickyBluntz posts small blind [$1].
NineHighFTW posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NineHighFTW [ Kd Ad ]
amitush1 folds.
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$7].
StickyBluntz folds.
NineHighFTW raises [$22].
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$17].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 4c, 4s ]
NineHighFTW bets [$32].
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$32].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
NineHighFTW checks.
lolYouFoldEZ is all-In.
NineHighFTW calls [$144.70].
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
NineHighFTW shows [ Kd, Ad ] two pairs, kings and fours.
lolYouFoldEZ doesn't show [ 7c, 9c ] two pairs, sevens and fours.
NineHighFTW wins $400.40 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and fours.

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LoL, you just love bringing this up don't you?

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Rofl ...

Yes. :D

Don't worry, when I take a shot at 2/4 you can smack me back down. :cry:

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Originally Posted by Bmxicle

ok why did i stop playing 10/20 nl?

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because your'e busto

guys, lets not get off topic. forget bad beats, this is now abuot the HU grudge match coming up.

After the gabe match can you come down to $50NL and play me HU? You are a treat :)

(also - why do you buyin for half a stack?)

Dude we should play 5-10 NL heads up! It would be an honor to play you exsentrik. PM me if you want to play.

Gabe he's gonna chicken out. Even though we all know you are talking shit and he could probably bust you if he has half a brain.

but i just downloaded absolute poker so i can find him

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Originally Posted by PO$$E$$ED

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Originally Posted by Bmxicle

ok why did i stop playing 10/20 nl?

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because your'e busto

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oh yeah i forgot about losing all my muney to blackjack

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But you have to understand from my point of view too, I asked for a opiion of my play and were I messed up, and everyone jumped down my throat giving me a whole, HOLYIER THAN THOU attitude. It just put me on the defensive.

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I agree with him on this guys. Move the post to the bad beat forum and move on, without beating a smart ass. Mean people suck.

Hey

Okay its on then, I am goin out of town this weekend. Being Canada day and all. We can set something up next week. Ill be back Wednesday. Eat bugs if that sounds okay with you let me know. By the way I playas Exsentrik on absolute. ON party I use a different handle, which I don’t want to let anyone know heheeh. Which game do you prefer? 5/10 10/20? Since I haven’t seen you play, and give you respect cuz everyone on this site thinks your gods gift to poker, how about we sit down to game of 3/6 max buy in of 500? Also I don’t’ want to lose 1k heheh.

After this game, im going to open this chanllenge up to anyone on FTR. Im not doing this cuz I think im better then you all, im doin this because I want to see how good I really am. So who ever wants to play me pm with a time and after next Wednesday or post in the CHALLENGE EXSENTRIK THREAD

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Originally Posted by exsentrik

Hey

Okay its on then, I am goin out of town this weekend. Being Canada day and all. We can set something up next week. Ill be back Wednesday. Eat bugs if that sounds okay with you let me know. By the way I playas Exsentrik on absolute. ON party I use a different handle, which I don’t want to let anyone know heheeh. Which game do you prefer? 5/10 10/20? Since I haven’t seen you play, and give you respect cuz everyone on this site thinks your gods gift to poker, how about we sit down to game of 3/6 max buy in of 500? Also I don’t’ want to lose 1k heheh.

After this game, im going to open this chanllenge up to anyone on FTR. Im not doing this cuz I think im better then you all, im doin this because I want to see how good I really am. So who ever wants to play me pm with a time and after next Wednesday or post in the CHALLENGE EXSENTRIK THREAD

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Make sure you post this in two seperate threads and then start a whole new one as well.

Laughing so much at how he keeps calling Gabe Eat Bugs. 3-of-a-Kind is crazy like that.

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Originally Posted by Renton

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*sigh*

dude. We are talking real money here. Not the play chips tables. This ain't no freeroll sight. You don't have the $$ for this. I can tell by the way you put that question together you are talkin' smack. Anybody worth his weight at 50NL would have a HH. I can't wait. This is either the biggest set up perpetrated by a great player. Or it's going to be a farce and no game will play.

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By the way I playas Exsentrik on absolute

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Shame i dont have the br to take this up because i definatly would.


Stake anyone? or you still busto bmx :P

your raises are consistently weak throughout this hand, you're forcing weaker hands to call and hope to draw out on you by pricing them in.

the question is, if the river is another A... or a J... or a 5 or a 2... do you post this hand?

Also, I know it's human nature to get defensive when you're being attacked, but I remember making many posts similar to this trying to work people who played 25nl waay back when party spread it as .25/.5.

The fact that you made this thread shows that you are missing some very essential building blocks for becoming a winning player at stakes even a fraction of what you play.

Poker does not afford us many certainties, but if you're going to play players like aces and gabe HU for 1/10th of your bankroll or more on the basis that you "make some good coin at stakes none of us can afford," then you will go broke at this game.

Oh the egg on you guys faces if this is a set up

Has this happened yet?

you really should get back to basics before playing nl2k, perhaps nl100 or lower would suit your skills (and not your br) better. it isnt that uncommon to be over bankrolled and underskilled to higher stakes, I have had that situation almost all the time I have played.

oh, I want to play HU 5/10 with you excentrik if possible, and I am not good in HU. Please admit that this hand happened in nl25 and you just wanted some "more advanced" comments.

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But you have to understand from my point of view too, I asked for a opiion of my play and were I messed up, and everyone jumped down my throat giving me a whole, HOLYIER THAN THOU attitude. It just put me on the defensive.

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I agree with him on this guys. Move the post to the bad beat forum and move on, without beating a smart ass. Mean people suck.

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Stop ruining the fun for the rest of us.

90%: this guy is terrible and has no idea what he's doing. His posts in this thread reflect that. Gabe has a huge edge on him and probably busts him.

10%: huge shark, who knows where from, makes a gimmick account and starts shit on FTR, with profit being the primary goal. Huge shark has a slight edge on gabe and makes for an exciting HU match.

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Lukie

90%: this guy is terrible and has no idea what he's doing. His posts in this thread reflect that. Gabe has a huge edge on him and probably busts him.

10%: huge shark, who knows where from, makes a gimmick account and starts shit on FTR, with profit being the primary goal. Huge shark has a slight edge on gabe and makes for an exciting HU match.

Thoughts?

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have to admit, the 10% option would answer a lot of questions. for his sake, i hope its the shark choice.

Anyone else even consider a smell of a hustling? No real HH with #, wacky advice that would make someone broke in a week, etc, etc....

You guys are SO behind... read "CHALLENGE EXSENTRIK" thread.

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Originally Posted by Lukie

90%: this guy is terrible and has no idea what he's doing. His posts in this thread reflect that. Gabe has a huge edge on him and probably busts him.

10%: huge shark, who knows where from, makes a gimmick account and starts shit on FTR, with profit being the primary goal. Huge shark has a slight edge on gabe and makes for an exciting HU match.

Thoughts?

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PO$$E$$ED is exsentric

urwrong

It felt too real to be a hustle imo.

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Originally Posted by bigred

Anyone else even consider a smell of a hustling? No real HH with #, wacky advice that would make someone broke in a week, etc, etc....

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no HHs only make it more realistic since he probably doesnt know how to get HH.