Good fold?

Hand converter screwed this up some. I'm UTG+1.

Slider bar got stuck at $0.8 instead of full $1 (shitty PR software). I don't think it matters much in this hand.

115 hands on villain: 23%/10%/4.6

Everyone on Ongame 25NL seems to like minbets, even the TAGs. I'm guessing it's to draw the big pairs into raising and building the pot (this is a PL hand) when the TAG hits a set.

Just wanted to double check: good fold? Either a set or 44; but probably the set-- I can't think of any reason a TAG would donk minbet a low coordinated flop like that and then 3bet the max without a made hand.

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $93.45
UTG+1: $24.00 :kd: :kc:
UTG+2: $21.55
MP1: $9.50
MP2: $38.15
MP3: $22.25
CO: $14.45
Button: $21.00
SB: $25.70
BB: $26.60

Pre-flop: (10 players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.8, 7 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 5:spade: 6:club: 3:spade: ($1.85, 2 players)
BB bets $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $1, BB raises to $4.85, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: $3.85 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $3.85

Draw/Combo draw. Something like A4s/78s/A2s are all possible. You're in position, why not call? That type of aggression factor is no indication of a set.

I'd call that every time. Now, if another scare card came, I might be more likely to fold.

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Originally Posted by yorib

Draw/Combo draw. Something like A4s/78s/A2s are all possible.

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I'm still new at using stats effectively, but with a VPIP of 23% I don't see weak suited Aces or suited connectors as part of his coldcalling range (wrong of me?). PR 25PL nits seem to like minbetting/minraising the preflop raiser with nut hands in order to induce a raise and build the pot so they can get it all-in. I think a draw would just call here.

I might've gotten played off by 77-JJ here, but it's about time I learned that TP/Overpairs aren't hands to be playing big pots with. Along with AOK's general rule of thumb that in a betting conversation like this I'm usually beat (if I'd been more attentive to his rule of thumb, I'd have lost a LOT less money than I have with TP/overpairs).

I wouldn't be surprised to see a guy with those stats coldcall with two sooted....especially on Poker Room and skins....I got a 5xBB PF raise called the other day with soooted cards.... 23 SOOOOOTED LOL.

Truthfully though, that does look like a draw.

I would re-raise that bet. 23/10 is likely a better than average player but I'd re-raise to see what he does to confirm the set (or small possibility of a str8). 9/10 times if you get re-raised again you are dead. If he calls your re-raise then he's likely on a draw or has an overpair. If he folds, then he was just testing you. Your flop bet was weak so I suspect he was reading weakness and playing back at you with air...

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Originally Posted by djzcko

I would re-raise that bet. 23/10 is likely a better than average player but I'd re-raise to see what he does to confirm the set (or small possibility of a str8). 9/10 times if you get re-raised again you are dead. If he calls your re-raise then he's likely on a draw or has an overpair. If he folds, then he was just testing you. Your flop bet was weak so I suspect he was reading weakness and playing back at you with air...

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How much would you reraise here?
The pot was about 1.75 after rake, he minbet 0.25 and I standard pushed over his minbet 4x. Maybe that is weak (how much would you have raised initially), but for him to 3bet to 4.85 doesn't leave me with much reraising room without approaching critical mass of getting pot stuck (he doesn't appear to be afraid of getting potstuck and I don't think he's all that clueless given his stats. If he thinks I'm a fish that will stack off an overpair to a set this is a great line to use, especially in a PL game in order to build a pot. Hell, I've done it and it's worked). Throwing a minraise on top of that doesn't get you much more info-- a draw calls and if he checks to me on the turn, do I check behind and give the free card or bet 1/2 pot and fold to a raise? A set probably calls and then pot bets the turn. These both leave us with uncomfortable decisions with our stack on the line.

Or do you reraise 3x his pot 3bet? That seems very unappealing to me; a 2, 7, or spade don't make me very happy here and we've just put 1/3 of a stack into what started as a small pot where we're very possibly behind drawing to the one remaining red king.

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Originally Posted by drtofu66

How much would you reraise here?
The pot was about 1.75 after rake, he minbet 0.25 and I standard pushed over his minbet 4x. Maybe that is weak (how much would you have raised initially),

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After the flop you have to start thinking in terms of pot size (pre-flop the bet is approx the size of the pot).

If he bet big (1/2 pot-pot) then a ~3x raise is good (approximately pot sized). He only bet .25, but the pot is $1.75 so raise to $1.50-2.00. Then a re-raise, or a call will be more meaningful.