Use of the noose or pot committed?

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06-11-2006, 11:53 PM
Chicago_Kid

Use of the noose or pot committed?

I am ChicagoKid and I think I have a problem...

I sometimes think I forget to let people hang themselves. Anyone check vs. lead out on the turn here? I thought he was pot committed, but instead I left a lot of chips on the table...

***** Hand History for Game 4495812753 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, June 11, 23:41:48 ET 2006
Table Table 96225 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 9: generalmax1 ( $25.40 )
Seat 8: ChicagoKid ( $44 )
Seat 7: leo_robert ( $14.30 )
Seat 10: jh175 ( $73.94 )
Seat 2: darius1952 ( $46.47 )
Seat 5: futtbucker3 ( $56.44 )
Seat 3: szalko ( $62.20 )
Seat 6: dspsphinx ( $41.10 )
Seat 1: ineadluk ( $9.50 )
dspsphinx posts small blind [$0.25].
leo_robert posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ChicagoKid [ Kd Kc ]
ChicagoKid calls [$0.50].
generalmax1 folds.
jh175 folds.
ineadluk folds.
mizzmaster77 has joined the table.
>You have options at Dark Fours Table!.
darius1952 raises [$1].
szalko folds.
futtbucker3 folds.
>You have options at Hohenstein (No DP) Table!.
dspsphinx folds.
>You have options at Dark Fours Table!.
leo_robert raises [$1.61].
ChicagoKid raises [$6.50].
darius1952 calls [$6].
leo_robert calls [$4.89].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 5h, 6c ]
leo_robert checks.
ChicagoKid bets [$21].
>You have options at Hohenstein (No DP) Table!.
darius1952 calls [$21].
leo_robert folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
ChicagoKid is all-In [$16]
darius1952 folds.
ChicagoKid does not show cards.
ChicagoKid wins $76.25
06-12-2006, 01:29 AM
KingLizard

Me thinks he was on QQ-JJ and the K probably would have killed anything you did ... unless you checked making it look like you were on TT-QQ yourself. So maybe a check would have kept this one going.

But hey, what do I know ... I hit AK FH with a similar flop (except the 5 was an A, turn a K and the river an A) and villain had 6 6 for quads. You just never know.
06-12-2006, 05:03 AM
Renton

Why do you limpreraise?
06-12-2006, 10:16 PM
Chicago_Kid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

Why do you limpreraise?

Mix this up. I only do this 10% of the time.
06-12-2006, 10:21 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

Why do you limpreraise?

Because it's a good play if you subscribe to it ever being correct to open-limp in your game.
06-13-2006, 02:30 AM
Renton

I open limp a lot. I just don't subscribe to winning small pots with AA because I am afraid of flops.

j/k

I guess its ok as a 5/10% mixup or at tables that are super aggressive (e.g. all-in) preflop a lot, or in a tournament with large blinds.
06-14-2006, 04:38 AM
ensign_lee

I don't think that your play was bad here. He just called a $21 bet. Why would a $16 bet scare him off now? Even if he has QQ, JJ, TT, and he thinks that you have AK, he still needs to call because of odds.

I mean, what other choice do you really have? If you check, he's just gonna think "wtf?" and check behind and then fold on the river when you go all in.
If you bet something like $8, he's going to think "wtf?" and then you have two situations. A) He'll call you, and then call your all in on the river. However, with this situation, he won't believe any bluffs that you put on later, as you have shown that when you have the goods, you don't bust out betting. B) He'll fold, and that result isn't any different from what you have now.

Once again, I really can't think of any hands other than maybe 77 or 88...maybe 99 that can call your flop bet and then fold on your turn bet. I can't really understand his fold otherwise. You weren't going to get more money out of this by playing this another way.
06-14-2006, 04:44 AM
Lukie

Quote:

** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
ChicagoKid is all-In [$16]
darius1952 folds.
ChicagoKid does not show cards.
ChicagoKid wins $76.25

stop being so results oriented
06-14-2006, 04:49 AM
Lukie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

I open limp a lot. I am ok with the fact I often make this weak play but don't even attempt to protect my limps by occasionally limping a huge hand, because I read on a poker forum somewhere that it's always a bad play.

j/k

I guess its ok as a 5/10% mixup or at tables that are super aggressive (e.g. all-in) preflop a lot, or in a tournament with large blinds.

fyp

btw open-limping, err, scratch that, limping in general sucks. I won't say that I never limp, or open limp for that matter, however.
06-14-2006, 08:15 AM
jackvance

Lukie, don't you think you're taking that 'sarcasm criticism thing to prove a point' a little too far? You are starting to seem very bitter here.

There is nothing wrong with what Renton said imo. I mean, it's a bit of a stretch to think everyone but you is indoctrinated by FTR standards without any understanding why. Playing his premiums fast 100% of the time and still open limping certain other hands can very well be a strategic decision.